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[savoir]

Originally Posted by tomfl

Guess you are right.

I should have realized boatie was joking when he said 18 knots was fast.

18 knots is extremely fast for a Catalac 9m. They aren't built for speed.

Even so a fair slab of that 18 knots went down to boatie's rig modifications. The guy's a genius.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by savoir

18 knots is extremely fast for a Catalac 9m. They aren't built for speed.

Even so a fair slab of that 18 knots went down to boatie's rig modifications. The guy's a genius.























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ROFLMAO..... awesome..

[savoir]

Originally Posted by tomfl

Windward Passage, the best blue water surfing boat I ever saw. Held the Miami to Mo bay record for most of my life.

Minor problem . . . . . . wrong boat in the photo . . . . . . . nice shirts though

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by savoir

Every boat, even a bathtub, is capable of surfing down a wave. Even so, you don't want to try it in a bathtub.

They aren't very stable and you spill too much beer.

Exactly....
Heck I've "surfed" my 55,000lb Hudson Force 50 bath tub down waves and watched the knot meter ping 14kts..so does that mean we try to do it...what are you smoking crack (as I said earlier). As for the humorus derision...another heck...where would be the fun in getting rid of that for the love of Pete?

As for dragging the laundry behind the boat...once you have a high output water maker and washing machine you never look back....

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Exactly....
Heck I've "surfed" my 55,000lb Hudson Force 50 bath tub down waves and watched the knot meter ping 14kts..so does that mean we try to do it...what are you smoking crack (as I said earlier). As for the humorus derision...another heck...where would be the fun in getting rid of that for the love of Pete?

As for dragging the laundry behind the boat...once you have a high output water maker and washing machine you never look back....

You might want to try surfing your boat while dragging the laundry behind it. This has the advantage of doing the laundry faster and saving you the expense of a drogue.

But getting back to reality racers do try and do it all the time. Some cruisers who use to be racers and have boats they feel confident of have no problem doing it.

One of the claimed benefits of some of the double end design boats is they are better able to deal with following seas with out broaching. RH's boat was such a boat. It would not shock me to learn RH himself does not know just what happened, was it a broach, a knock down, a combination of the two, possibly made worse by a somewhat rogue wave that was higher than expected when the boom was lower than expected; who knows.

I am convinced that getting experience with how your boat surfs is a good idea. In a brisk (say 15 knots) and moderate seas (say five foot waves with a reasonably long period) you can learn a lot about how your boat surfs while minimizing the risk. One skill worth developing is bailing out, where you slow down and allow the wave to pass under your boat minimizing surfing time.

But no one should kid themselves, your boat will surf. The better you are able to deal with your boat when it is surfing the safer you will be.

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by savoir

Minor problem . . . . . . wrong boat in the photo . . . . . . . nice shirts though

I sit corrected. That was Windward Passage II. Think this is the old one. Those shirts were only extra large. No deck monkys on WP, only deck apes.

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by tomfl

What I was trying to communicate is that once waves reach a certain height all boats surf for short periods of time down the face of waves, kinda stall out in the trough, and then slow down even more as they go up the face of a wave. Once the get back on top of the wave (usually as the wave overtakes the boat) the boat will start surfing down the face of a wave again.

Tom, this is the problem I have with yours and others definition of surfing. Sure, we all accelerate when a wave catches our stern. But in order to do the above description, you have to be sailing faster then the waves, which I don't think any of us do in cruising boats.

Can you and should you increase the speed and time of surfing, sure. But I'll maintain that the moment you actually start to move faster then the face of the wave, as Boatman said, you better start to pucker. Maybe I'm a wuss, but for sure I don't need the stress of sailing faster in 20+ foot waves and gale force conditions day after day just to arrive in a destination a day early.

It's still hard for me to believe that any cruising sailor who has seen the violence, the unforgiving bitch Mother Ocean can be, would push their boat anywhere near the disaster point.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Palarran

It's still hard for me to believe that any cruising sailor who has seen the violence, the unforgiving bitch Mother Ocean can be, would push their boat anywhere near the disaster point.

"G....14"
Bingo....

But hey...if all cruisers thought the same there would only be 2 or 3 boat choice mandated, approved and regulated by the Government...but hey.....what do you think this is Obamacare....

Love me or hate me....you have to laugh with or at me....which is the entire point of me ducking both boat projects today AND real work to play in the CF sandbox.

[SaltyMonkey]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

As for dragging the laundry behind the boat...once you have a high output water maker and washing machine you never look back....

Braggard!

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

Braggard!

Why they don't let budget cruisers into Marinas....
This was in Marina de La Paz on our old boat...

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by Palarran

Tom, this is the problem I have with yours and others definition of surfing. Sure, we all accelerate when a wave catches our stern. But in order to do the above description, you have to be sailing faster then the waves, which I don't think any of us do in cruising boats.

Can you and should you increase the speed and time of surfing, sure. But I'll maintain that the moment you actually start to move faster then the face of the wave, as Boatman said, you better start to pucker. Maybe I'm a wuss, but for sure I don't need the stress of sailing faster in 20+ foot waves and gale force conditions day after day just to arrive in a destination a day early.

It's still hard for me to believe that any cruising sailor who has seen the violence, the unforgiving bitch Mother Ocean can be, would push their boat anywhere near the disaster point.

The problem I have with your post is you seem to view my position on surfing as discrete rather than continuous. I don't surf all the time and I don't not surf all the time. The ocean is not all unforgiving violence. Twenty foot waves are not all the same.

You comment about the conditions in the vid I posted confirmed that to some extent. The waves looked to be in the twenty foot range to me and the wind speed was in the 40 knot range, and you comment the wind is not that strong.

In the conditions in the video I would have no problem surfing the boat, but I have been in confused seas with smaller waves and weaker winds where I would try my best to keep the boat from surfing.

The bigger point is the I would rather have to option to surf or not surf and have tried surfing in my daily routine as opposed to having to test my surfing skills for the first time far from shore in bad conditions and with two small children and a wife who had even less skill surfing than I did.

[SaltyMonkey]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Why they don't let budget cruisers into Marinas....
This was in Marina de La Paz on our old boat...

Thats actually very pretty. It would make me smile seeing that in the morning, all those colors.

[MarkJ]

Originally Posted by tomfl

I know this is a cruisers forum but there are some cruisers like me that have what I will call a solid racing background. IMG]

And this is a thread where people were nearly killed cruising.

CRUISING. Not racing.

And if you think you have a solid racing background I would advise you not to call me out or you might find yours stacks up pretty pathetically.

We are talking about cruising and peoples lives.

If that is so difficult to understand shall I give you a link to a dictionary?

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

And this is a thread where people were nearly killed cruising.

CRUISING. Not racing.

And if you think you have a solid racing background I would advise you not to call me out or you might find yours stacks up pretty pathetically.

We are talking about cruising and peoples lives.

If that is so difficult to understand shall I give you a link to a dictionary?

This is the reason Al Gore invented the ignore button.

[SaltyMonkey]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

And this is a thread where people were nearly killed cruising.

CRUISING. Not racing.

And We are talking about cruising and peoples lives.

Originally Posted by MarkJ

if you think you have a solid racing background I would advise you not to call me out or you might find yours stacks up pretty pathetically.

Hobie 18's. Triangular course at 100 paces.