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Old 09-09-2017, 13:45   #31
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Re: California communities suing for polluters to pay for storm damage

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Lawsuits filed in July by three coastal California communities against ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP and other large fossil fuel companies argue that the companies, not taxpayers and residents, should bear the cost of damages from rising seas. From the Guardian.
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Re: California communities suing for polluters to pay for storm damage

If Califonia is so great, why are so many of you moving to Washington State?

When I hear a bunch of neighbors talking to each other during a neighborhood get together, they are often comparing the names of their favorite taco stands or whatever from Southern California !
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There is no debate about climate change. The scientific evidence is clear. What we can debate is the extent to which climate change influences individual weather events.
Other than what causes it, to what extent it is anthropogenic and the likely effects of it over the next 100 years of so.

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Sea levels have risen 30-35 metres in the last 10,000 years. Who're we gonna sue for that?
And roughly 15cm (6 inches) in the last 100 years



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Re: California communities suing for polluters to pay for storm damage

Stu but what about the negative feedback loop they are now suggesting with regards to the arctic sea ice.
Next they willl be suing for the loss of tourism due to lowering sea levels.
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We should sue firearm and munitions manufacturers for the death their products cause. May as well throw in automotive manufacturers while we're at it. Once they're out of the way we can strike at the real problem; Look out McDonald's, we're coming to get you.
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And roughly 15cm (6 inches) in the last 100 years
Those graphs are interesting -
Graph 1 shows sea level rise since last glacial age, levelling off over last 8,000 years and possibly (scale is too small to tell) tending towards ever smaller increase;
Graph 2 shows rise trending (curving) upwards again, towards greater increase.

The stark contrast between those two trends is (perhaps, I'm no climate expert) the focus of scientific concern. To try to use them as an argument against imminent climate problems seems disingenuous, or mistaken.
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And roughly 15cm (6 inches) in the last 100 years



But, sputter, cough, sputter, ahem...everyone knows the world is only 6,000 years old. Just ask Jerry Falwell, Sr. or Jr.
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AH No. The deduction is giving a slight credit back to the individual for the taxes already paid to state and local. It does nothing to reduce state and local taxes at all. What it does, is allow the feds to tax the tax we pay to state and local. Sort of a double tax...

That's kind of the point...If the individual had to pay the full amount of the federal tax owed on top of the state and local taxes they would surely revolt when those state and local taxes increase. As it is, the federal tax acts like a cap of sorts. I think, theoretically, if California were to raise state taxes to the level of federal taxes the individual would owe no federal taxes.

This is why California has all of the nice parks and bicycle lanes and the tremendously generous entitlement programs--they are essentially taking the money from the federal coffers.
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California is also the 6th largest economy in the world having passed France and India this year. The only countries with a higher GDP per capita than the State of California are UK, Germany, China, and Japan.
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California is also the 6th largest economy in the world having passed France and India this year. The only countries with a higher GDP per capita than the State of California are UK, Germany, China, and Japan.
Would love to see the proof of that . Being in the land of boeing starbucks, and microsoft . i find that claim a little hard to believe. ( not to mention all of the other big companies homed here. )
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Always California. The fruits, the nuts, the wackos and the tree huggers.
God save us from California!
As a native Californian I take extreme umbrage with your omission of MY group, the Posey-Pickers! And you probably won't need God to save you, I hear most of us would be happy to secede! Or the big earthquake may break us off from the mainland anyway.
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Got your water wings on gallinger?
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I don't have a special pay scale for living in CA.
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