California communities suing for polluters to pay for storm damage

[sailorchic34]

Originally Posted by Sawbonz

This is why California has all of the nice parks and bicycle lanes and the tremendously generous entitlement programs--they are essentially taking the money from the federal coffers.

Again No. The feds get all of their money due no matter the level of state tax. Oddly California gets less entitlement money overall from the Fed then other states. That is California pays more to the fed then is sent back.

[Don C L]

yes I thought that was an odd claim to make too.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Don C L

yes I thought that was an odd claim to make too.

Don and SC it was not an odd claim and actually it was correct. You can deduct your state and local income tax from your federal taxes.
If you itemize deductions, you can deduct state and local taxes you paid during the year. These taxes can include state and local income taxes
https://www.1040.com/tax-guide/tax-s...d-local-taxes/

[Don C L]

California isn't the only state that allows that though....

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Don C L

California isn't the only state that allows that though....

Correct and its not the state that allows it it is the federal government that does ( for now) hence the taking money from the federal coffers analogy.

[SV THIRD DAY]

It's only logical that the federal government allows you to deduct state taxes from your income, because that's money you don't actually get it's already been taken from you from the state. In California for example with close to a 10% state income tax. I believe the proper phrase is adjusted gross income or AGI.

Now the best way to go is a flat 15% flat tax on everyone with no deductions but that takes the power away from the politicians to give special carve-outs and brakes so you might as well forget about that.

Of course with the state of California having a pension crisis for state employees along with a ludicrous budget deficit that's been papered over with borrowing the state is just one incident away from Financial collapse.

Remember all that money all the states got in the financial settlements with the tobacco industry That was supposed to go to stop smoking programs that just went into their general fund the lawyers and state governments learned from that so now anyone with Deep Pockets that has fallen out of favor is a target.

[DeepFrz]

Gosh, from lawsuit to fruit and nuts, etc. and now taxes.
Dr. Eugenie Scott on Evolution and Global Warming Denialism: How the Public is Misled

Those cities may have a good chance of winning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvZA68DHFi8

[SV THIRD DAY]

If you can sue McDonald's for a hot pickle burning your lip when you eat a cheeseburger it's the land of opportunity baby.....

I'm sure next someone who want to sue the people that geoengineered the storm and maneuvered it to the West Coast of Florida... from Chemtrails to storm steering laser rays....

[buzzstar]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

There is no debate about climate change. The scientific evidence is clear. What we can debate is the extent to which climate change influences individual weather events.

GoingWalkabout, good to see you back with your ever so helpful and insightful comments.

Any one interested might like to read this article by one of the worlds brightest minds. Of course that is my opinion.
https://theintercept.com/2017/09/09/...g-going-wrong/

I always love claims by and about "scientists" and brilliant minds such as Al Gore's. Usually they are not scientists or particularly brilliant, typically wannabes, and backed up buy those seeking grants and other forms of revenue. The gullible among us and those motivated by money and fame fail (I think intentionally for most) to recognize the reality of global warming (and cooling) as cyclic natural occurrences (it seems the cycles tend to be quite long) and the influence, if any, and if so the degree to which man may contribute for probably the first time. Those with motivation (again, money and fame) are absolutely sure of both the influence of man and that the cyclic can be interrupted by making people suffer from guilt and deprivation, not to mention taxation.

[bgallinger]

Originally Posted by Don C L

As a native Californian I take extreme umbrage with your omission of MY group, the Posey-Pickers! And you probably won't need God to save you, I hear most of us would be happy to secede! Or the big earthquake may break us off from the mainland anyway.

Don...my apologies for missing your group!
May I say in my defence, there are so many nutters out there who believe in this misdirected and ill conceived nonsense , it would be impossible to name them all!

[bgallinger]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

It's only logical that the federal government allows you to deduct state taxes from your income, because that's money you don't actually get it's already been taken from you from the state. In California for example with close to a 10% state income tax. I believe the proper phrase is adjusted gross income or AGI.

Now the best way to go is a flat 15% flat tax on everyone with no deductions but that takes the power away from the politicians to give special carve-outs and brakes so you might as well forget about that.

Of course with the state of California having a pension crisis for state employees along with a ludicrous budget deficit that's been papered over with borrowing the state is just one incident away from Financial collapse.

Remember all that money all the states got in the financial settlements with the tobacco industry That was supposed to go to stop smoking programs that just went into their general fund the lawyers and state governments learned from that so now anyone with Deep Pockets that has fallen out of favor is a target.

AMEN! Bring on the flat tax!!

[buzzstar]

Originally Posted by bgallinger

Always California. The fruits, the nuts, the wackos and the tree huggers.
God save us from California!

And may God save California from the envy of the rest. I would be happy to see us leave the onion if we could keep only our own native born [Please try to think, before you start pulling cards on this one.]

[markpierce]

One doesn't deduct state/local taxes from federal taxes. One reduces federal taxable income.

California has both state sales and income taxes. But one can deduct only one or the other. Also, to be deductible, they (and other deductibles such as home mortgage and property taxes, etc. in total) must exceed the standard deduction.

California was once considered an island.

[sailorboy1]

Suits like this go way back, in the end we are all responsible for the pollution

[zeehag]

algores brilliance was in creating a universally accepted scam for making money roll into his pockets. opportunistic upon fears of people he created an issue from nothing.
we have seen much of this phenomenon in the recent past.
yes climate changes but taxing people for it...HAHAHAHA awesome scam
deferring responsibility is not merely a california thing. i have noticed it flying around everywhere of late.