Another Yacht Has Been Pirated

[clockwork orange]

It seems to me that the military forces of the world should be going on the offensive, my understanding is that there is no government in somalia so they should be able to patrol those waters at will, stop any vessels that put to sea, if thay are armed, sink them on the spot, if they are legit, ie, commercial vessels such as fishing boats etc, get a float plan and send them on their way and monitor them. Same applies to inbound vessels. My point is,the lack of a legit government should make it easier to patrol Somalia than any other nation in the area, so keep them contained. I would think that it would be in the best interest of any neighboring nations where they may operate from to police their own waters.
Steve.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by VirtualVagabond

Hey Dave,
Slow down a moment.
I don't know where you got the weird idea I was saying the Somali pirates have anything to do with religion, muslim or otherwise.

I haven't heard anything to suggest that the Pirates are motivated / acting for religous reasons (then again, religions do have some far far weirder stuff in them (i.e. sexual mutilation of children - both sexes) so nothing can be ruled out - as bobbing around in a boat for Allah would be pretty dull in comparison to much else).

But leaving that aside, Religion (Ours and there' s) is a cause of Somalia remaining as it is - the easy answer is Sharia Law (and you need Muslims for that ).......but the West goes all heebeejeebee at that idea so settles on simply keeping the pot boiling.

I like Sharia law (for others to live under ) as like back in the dark ages in the West, religion was useful dispencing arbitary and summary justice as based on something that scares the uneducated (a Bogey man)......in Somalia you need a Bogey man to wave at the locals - and the ability to quickly send transgressors (and opponents!) off to meet him. "Legally".

Of course in the West we got enlightened and kicked the Woo out of the legal systems - obviously we still have followers of various religions in the West, but even most of them don't want to live under any Religous based arbitary and summary justice system................but no reason why it wouldn't work well for Somalia, at least until they (as a Society) learn better..........in a few hundred years.

[boatman61]

Its a conspiracy by the western governments...
if you look at the attacks on ships you'll see that they've increased 100% since the financial crisis...
the oil/shipping/banks/insurance co's and governments got together to find an alternative way to screw everyone for more money to get them outa the ****.
Representatives were sent to negotiate with the Somali fishermen and they 'got organised'... bounty's would be given to Somalia and the 'good guys' would reap the rewards from higher insurance/loans for ransoms/inflated fuel prices...
The UN deleted certain resolutions and produced a new one to further confuse/prolong the situation so's it would drag out for years till the requisite money had been raised...
The last G 20 was in fact a conference to decide whether the general public was dumb enough to get used to the higher cost of living... thus enabling them to not reduce costs once the 'Situation was Resolved'..
This is of course a Socialist Regime Solution...
can't be anything Conservative inspired as Mark Thatchers not involved... can't be.. they're to successful... lmao

[Blue Crab]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Its a conspiracy by the western governments...
if you look at the attacks on ships you'll see that they've increased 100% since the financial crisis...
The last G 20 was in fact a conference to decide whether the general public was dumb enough to get used to the higher cost of living... thus enabling them to not reduce costs once the 'Situation was Resolved'..

This is so far out it could be true. It's difficult for me to understand just where we, the US, lost our resolve. It must be the civilian leadership of mititary forces. I don't think it would take the allied naval forces long to stop piracy if we just let them handle it. Why "we" keep allowing this to happen is the question.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by tgzzzz

This is so far out it could be true. It's difficult for me to understand just where we, the US, lost our resolve. It must be the civilian leadership of mititary forces. I don't think it would take the allied naval forces long to stop piracy if we just let them handle it. Why "we" keep allowing this to happen is the question.

ROFL...... its all possible... according to Hollywood...
Remember.... lotsa folks learn their history and geography there....

[jmo64]

Below links to AP article regarding pirate intent to increase executions

Pirates add ammo, men to ships after 4 US deaths

If link doesn't work I'd appreciate a little help. Thanks in advance

[Bergovoy]

Originally Posted by VirtualVagabond

A really tragic outcome.
But... as many have asked, what were they doing there?

I don't understand suicide bombers, and I don't understand suicide bible distributors.
Why does religion of all persuasions, pushed to extremes, pass the point of good sense?

Too much Gideon, not enough Solomon.

two different animals.. one wants to harm others, and terrorize them from doing what they think is 'normal'.. the other is just an inconvenience...

The point is why spend resources for someone who puts themselves in harms way... ??

I would question if they put themselves in harms way.. how far out does someone have to sail around that area to be 'safe' and or not in harms way???

and if something isnt done, wont that 'range' be increased over time???

[MarkJ]

The Somalis are currently being held on the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise

Eating the best meals they've ever had...

[SabreKai]

I'm surprised that given all the satellite surveillance going on around the world, that they can't put together a unified intelligence operation which can give exact details of all these pissant pirates. I mean come on, lets face it. If they can read a newspaper or license plate from hundreds of miles up, why can't they collect info on this problem? The birds wouldn't even have to be redirected since they pass over the area of interest at regular intervals anyway. Just take the photos and send them down for analysis. The US, Russia, China, France and anyone else with a view should be collecting the data and using it to either evade or attack these mother ships.

Sabre

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by SabreKai

I'm surprised that given all the satellite surveillance going on around the world, that they can't put together a unified intelligence operation which can give exact details of all these pissant pirates. I mean come on, lets face it. If they can read a newspaper or license plate from hundreds of miles up, why can't they collect info on this problem? The birds wouldn't even have to be redirected since they pass over the area of interest at regular intervals anyway. Just take the photos and send them down for analysis. The US, Russia, China, France and anyone else with a view should be collecting the data and using it to either evade or attack these mother ships.

Sabre

And maybe the USS Enterprise could then beam them up?

[delmarrey]

Originally Posted by jmo64

Below links to AP article regarding pirate intent to increase executions

Pirates add ammo, men to ships after 4 US deaths

After reading this article it seems the Indian Ocean just became an even more dangerous place to travel. I think the best thing now is to cut the losses and just boycott the area completely. Larger vessels can hire security but for small boats/yachts it seems it's safer to just round the horn then take any more chances with pirates.

660 hostages that's a small town.

[Pblais]

I'm surprised that given all the satellite surveillance going on around the world, that they can't put together a unified intelligence operation which can give exact details of all these pissant pirates

Not enough time and not enough resources. While they can peek pretty close they can't monitor 1/5 of the globe in high resolution detail 24 x 7 even if they were not peaking in on anyone else. There isn't enough collective effort to spy on an area that large in detail all at the same time. Big brother just isn't that big. That might be the only good news in this story.

There are a lot of places we need to peek in on and on a regular basis too. Those data collection resources are not waiting all the time with nothing to do and are expensive to operate.

On a global basis the pirates are not a serious threat to any modern governments security. Clearly that is a fact. No country is going to be up for an all out effort to do much of anything this large with nothing at all to gain if they win and worse than that they lose nothing at all if they ignore it. Ignoring the problem has been the established solution. Most governments have that ability well in hand. If you are calling for a war you need someone that wants to fight. This one is not making any short list any time soon given the state of the world right now.

[kenny chaos]

Originally Posted by Pblais

On a global basis the pirates are not a serious threat to any modern governments security. Clearly that is a fact. No country is going to be up for an all out effort to do much of anything this large with nothing at all to gain if they win and worse than that they lose nothing at all if they ignore it. Ignoring the problem has been the established solution. Most governments have that ability well in hand. If you are calling for a war you need someone that wants to fight. This one is not making any short list any time soon given the state of the world right now.

Care to place a wager?

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by SabreKai

I'm surprised that given all the satellite surveillance going on around the world, that they can't put together a unified intelligence operation which can give exact details of all these pissant pirates. I mean come on, lets face it...

“... It takes just three satellites to blanket the world with detection capacity. Besides tracking a person's every action and relaying the data to a computer screen on earth, amazing powers of satellites include reading a person's mind, monitoring conversations, manipulating electronic instruments and physically assaulting someone with a laser beam. Remote reading of someone's mind through satellite technology is quite bizarre, yet it is being done; it is a reality at present, not a chimera from a futuristic dystopia! To those who might disbelieve* my description of satellite surveillance, I'd simply cite a tried-and-true Roman proverb: Time reveals all things (tempus omnia revelat)...”
More ➥ Privacy, The Menace of Satellite Surveillance

* Oh boy - a proverb that proves all.

Then there’s George Clooney’s Satellite Sentinel Project
➥ Front page | Satellite Sentinel Project

[goboatingnow]

I would expect increased naval activity as to wether that resolves anything I remain unconvinced. Nation building is unfortunately required. The European powers are are about 100 years out of date in this respect and the US is currently not particulary found of it after two recent attempts.

It would seem it's a no go area for a while

Dave