Exaggerated Slip / Dock Rates?

[sokkum]

Like to inform you about our marina founded some 30 years ago by members of our local sailing asssociation. We are situated in a beautifull natural setting in the dutch Delta and have facilities for some 250 yachts between 20 - 60 ft on floating pontoons with drinking water and electricity. We maintain all facilities ourselves and every member contribute by working and volunteer by doing all kind of services conc. club and marina.
Doing all this by ourselves results in very reasonable slip/dockrates: p.e. the bill for 2008 for my 40ft saliboat incl. water/electricity was around 650,- euros.
You will find these associations around the Netherlands and other N-European countries but I never sailed into non-profit operated marinas in other parts of the world. Are there any in the USA, Australia, South America ?

[Maren]

Originally Posted by sokkum

You will find these associations around the Netherlands and other N-European countries but I never sailed into non-profit operated marinas in other parts of the world. Are there any in the USA, Australia, South America ?

In the US, there are some municipal marinas which are often very inexpensive or even free for a period of a few hours to a few days (Edenton, NC comes to mind, as does Elizabeth City) but for the most part you would need to mix anchoring, mooring and well chosen marinas to keep under 650 euros. The trend in the US is take ever bit of available land and privately develop it. There are some protected areas, usually wetlands, but since they are protected they are quite rural and you are back to anchoring out.

Any place in particular you might be interested in?

[bstreep]

An annual bill at our municiple marina, with a 1 year lease paid in advance, would run you around $2,000.

[k2kamahele]

Originally Posted by bstreep

An annual bill at our municiple marina, with a 1 year lease paid in advance, would run you around $2,000.

Still shopping for a southern port
K

[barnakiel]

Las Palmas, Gran Canaria, Spain municipal marina, safety issues, poor facilities/amenities. 2500 USD per year for a 26 footer. Also the anchorage outside is at a cost.

But I did see what our colleague from the Netherlands describes - in my boat's home in Sweden, a community run marina (and there are thousands of them) cost me 300 USD the whole winter, including travelifting in/out and powerwash. But I believe this happens only in countries which have great sailing tradition and less aggressive model of capitalism. And communities which prefer to do some work rather than hire others to work for them.

Anyway, have not seen anything like this outside N. Europe. Outside, everything is either 'private' (the anglo-saxon countries - UK, NZ, AUS, etc.) and expensive, or it is a service geared to rip off the tourist-sailor (all Latino countries - Portugal, Spain, Brasil) and expensive. The French Territories worked best for me, because they were pricey, but there it was clear from the very start what the cost was and the anchorages / fresh water were free (sometimes a token fee for water only) and they had no cruising / entrance / clearance fees.

Cheers,
b.

[imagine2frolic]

650 euros a year, or monthly?......i2f

[MacG]

Sokkum means a season, most probably. A season runs normally from March till October. A supplementary fee has to be paid for the hard stand in the winter or for storage inside a shed.

Nontheless, for a 40' not expensive. Many other marina's in Holland are much more expensive with extra charges for electricity and showers.

[sokkum]

Originally Posted by MacG

Sokkum means a season, most probably. A season runs normally from March till October. A supplementary fee has to be paid for the hard stand in the winter or for storage inside a shed.

Nontheless, for a 40' not expensive. Many other marina's in Holland are much more expensive with extra charges for electricity and showers.

650 euo is my annual fee

[neelie]

Two months ago, I was quoted around 33,000 Euro for 12 months in Palma de Mallorca for a 46 ft Cat; water & electricity is metered and is extra. No, not a misprint - 33K it is.

[witzgall]

There HAD to be a digit error. 33k? What are they smokin'? Who would smoke that with them?

Originally Posted by neelie

Two months ago, I was quoted around 33,000 Euro for 12 months in Palma de Mallorca for a 46 ft Cat; water & electricity is metered and is extra. No, not a misprint - 33K it is.

[MacG]

Originally Posted by neelie

Two months ago, I was quoted around 33,000 Euro for 12 months in Palma de Mallorca for a 46 ft Cat; water & electricity is metered and is extra. No, not a misprint - 33K it is.

That must be for a season - that is something for a megayacht in Antibes

[Highlander40]

USA CT 40' $5000. summer only.

[neelie]

It was for a whole year (i.e. 12 months, as I wrote).. so divide the 33 by 12 to get the monthly rate.

It took several Gin and Tonics before I could stop shaking.

[MacG]

Spain is an excessive rip off - I remember well when having an accident on sea I was forced to make a stop in Club Nautico of Denia. At that time I had a 40' - as both of my hands were injured, I left the country for two weeks, on my return I had to pay more than 1400 Euro's.

The more north you come, the cheaper it will get. You better may go to Port Napoleon close to Marseille. It is much cheaper there, about the same rates as in the UK.

[skipmac]

Getting ready to head south from New England to Florida for the winter. I have been on a mooring in Rhode Island, $1500 for the season. Checked on transient dock space around Long Island Sound for the first 1-2 nights of the trip south. $80-$150 per night for a 42' monohull. I told one marina that I could get a hotel room with AC and free HBO for less. They were not amused.