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20-08-2009, 01:07
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Netherlands
Boat: Gulfstar 40cc
Posts: 28
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Exaggerated Slip / Dock Rates?
Like to inform you about our marina founded some 30 years ago by members of our local sailing asssociation. We are situated in a beautifull natural setting in the dutch Delta and have facilities for some 250 yachts between 20 - 60 ft on floating pontoons with drinking water and electricity. We maintain all facilities ourselves and every member contribute by working and volunteer by doing all kind of services conc. club and marina.
Doing all this by ourselves results in very reasonable slip/dockrates: p.e. the bill for 2008 for my 40ft saliboat incl. water/electricity was around 650,- euros.
You will find these associations around the Netherlands and other N-European countries but I never sailed into non-profit operated marinas in other parts of the world. Are there any in the USA, Australia, South America ?
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20-08-2009, 01:30
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#2
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Eastern Seaboard
Boat: Searunner 34 and Searunner Constant Camber 44
Posts: 949
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sokkum
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In the US, there are some municipal marinas which are often very inexpensive or even free for a period of a few hours to a few days (Edenton, NC comes to mind, as does Elizabeth City) but for the most part you would need to mix anchoring, mooring and well chosen marinas to keep under 650 euros. The trend in the US is take ever bit of available land and privately develop it. There are some protected areas, usually wetlands, but since they are protected they are quite rural and you are back to anchoring out.
Any place in particular you might be interested in?
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20-08-2009, 08:10
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: San Antonio, TX/Bocas del Toro, Panama
Boat: 1990 Macintosh 47, "Merlin"
Posts: 2,844
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An annual bill at our municiple marina, with a 1 year lease paid in advance, would run you around $2,000.
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20-08-2009, 09:26
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,420
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Las Palmas, Gran Canaria, Spain municipal marina, safety issues, poor facilities/amenities. 2500 USD per year for a 26 footer. Also the anchorage outside is at a cost.
But I did see what our colleague from the Netherlands describes - in my boat's home in Sweden, a community run marina (and there are thousands of them) cost me 300 USD the whole winter, including travelifting in/out and powerwash. But I believe this happens only in countries which have great sailing tradition and less aggressive model of capitalism. And communities which prefer to do some work rather than hire others to work for them.
Anyway, have not seen anything like this outside N. Europe. Outside, everything is either 'private' (the anglo-saxon countries - UK, NZ, AUS, etc.) and expensive, or it is a service geared to rip off the tourist-sailor (all Latino countries - Portugal, Spain, Brasil) and expensive. The French Territories worked best for me, because they were pricey, but there it was clear from the very start what the cost was and the anchorages / fresh water were free (sometimes a token fee for water only) and they had no cruising / entrance / clearance fees.
Cheers,
b.
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20-08-2009, 09:35
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Eternal Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Las Brisas Panama AGAIN!
Boat: Simpson, Catamaran, 46ft. IMAGINE
Posts: 4,507
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650 euros a year, or monthly?......i2f
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26-08-2009, 08:17
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Holland, France
Boat: 33ft sloop
Posts: 1,091
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Sokkum means a season, most probably. A season runs normally from March till October. A supplementary fee has to be paid for the hard stand in the winter or for storage inside a shed.
Nontheless, for a 40' not expensive. Many other marina's in Holland are much more expensive with extra charges for electricity and showers.
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26-08-2009, 08:29
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: On the boat
Boat: Valiant 50
Posts: 509
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Two months ago, I was quoted around 33,000 Euro for 12 months in Palma de Mallorca for a 46 ft Cat; water & electricity is metered and is extra. No, not a misprint - 33K it is.
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26-08-2009, 08:31
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Easton, CT
Boat: MJM 50 Z
Posts: 343
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USA CT 40' $5000. summer only.
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26-08-2009, 08:39
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Eastern Shore, MD
Boat: Camper Nicholson 44 Ketch
Posts: 2,060
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There HAD to be a digit error. 33k? What are they smokin'? Who would smoke that with them?
Quote:
Originally Posted by neelie
Two months ago, I was quoted around 33,000 Euro for 12 months in Palma de Mallorca for a 46 ft Cat; water & electricity is metered and is extra. No, not a misprint - 33K it is.
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26-08-2009, 08:57
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Holland, France
Boat: 33ft sloop
Posts: 1,091
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neelie
Two months ago, I was quoted around 33,000 Euro for 12 months in Palma de Mallorca for a 46 ft Cat; water & electricity is metered and is extra. No, not a misprint - 33K it is.
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That must be for a season - that is something for a megayacht in Antibes
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26-08-2009, 09:18
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#11
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: On the boat
Boat: Valiant 50
Posts: 509
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It was for a whole year (i.e. 12 months, as I wrote).. so divide the 33 by 12 to get the monthly rate.
It took several Gin and Tonics before I could stop shaking.
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26-08-2009, 09:26
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#12
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Holland, France
Boat: 33ft sloop
Posts: 1,091
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Spain is an excessive rip off - I remember well when having an accident on sea I was forced to make a stop in Club Nautico of Denia. At that time I had a 40' - as both of my hands were injured, I left the country for two weeks, on my return I had to pay more than 1400 Euro's.
The more north you come, the cheaper it will get. You better may go to Port Napoleon close to Marseille. It is much cheaper there, about the same rates as in the UK.
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26-08-2009, 09:36
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29° 49.16’ N 82° 25.82’ W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 16,306
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Getting ready to head south from New England to Florida for the winter. I have been on a mooring in Rhode Island, $1500 for the season. Checked on transient dock space around Long Island Sound for the first 1-2 nights of the trip south. $80-$150 per night for a 42' monohull. I told one marina that I could get a hotel room with AC and free HBO for less. They were not amused.
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26-08-2009, 10:17
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 15,136
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A "non-profit" marina in the US would probably be called a "Yacht Club" which had docks and moorings. Marina tends to mean a commercial business here.
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26-08-2009, 11:34
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#15
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South coast of England, moving around a bit.
Boat: Long range motor cruiser
Posts: 750
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As an alternative to Spain and it's rip off pricing, you could look at Marina Smir in Morocco, just across the straits from Gibraltar and less than half the cost of a slip in Gib. A very nice place as well with seemingly, no security issues. And great discounts for up front payment. Haggle
I've no connection in any way with Marina Smir, though I've berthed there.
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