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Old 25-10-2010, 08:15   #1
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Removing Corroded Seacocks and Thru-Hulls

I had trouble finding an article instructing how to do this, so I wrote about how I did it and would like to share:

One of the things I knew about Windsong when I first saw her was that all of the seacocks needed to be replaced ASAP. They are very old-school style Groco seacocks and all have corroded to the point where they are inoperable. What does that mean? If a hose were to leak, I would not have had a way to shut off the thru-hull and the boat would probably sink unless the hose or seacock was plugged.

Seacocks are meant to be the #1 insurance on the boat against sinking, and I didn't have that insurance for the entire time I owned the boat in the water. Since I started the bottom job I have been contemplating how the heck to get the seacocks and thru-hulls off the boat. They were so corroded that unscrewing the thru-hull from the seacock was impossible. I spent many months contemplating my approach and did as much research I could on the subject. Unfortunately there aren't many articles written on how to get this job done on old, corroded equipment. There are plenty of articles on how to take apart modern seacocks, but non on how to tear apart old ones with no hope of reuse.

I did, however, find a few blogs and forum posts from people who just cut the thru-hulls up with a Dremel or some other tool to help remove them. But with my limited experience in doing things like this, I really needed a step by step instruction on how the heck to do that. After some creative thinking and experimentation, I finally figured out how to do it and here I will show my process.

Here are the seacocks in the head with hoses removed. One is the sink drain, another is for the head itself, the other was unused with no plumbing coming from it.



Here are the thru-hulls attached to these seacocks



Each seacock has two bolts that go through the hull that needed to be removed. My dad and I began this job back in May by removing the hoses to the seacocks and the bolts that go through the hull. Once we reached that point, we were stumped as to how to remove the thru-hull from the seacock. So after my research I took a stab at cutting the thru-hulls to remove the mushroom head so I could just pull the seacocks out from the inside.

I removed the three thru-hulls from the head seacocks before I got down there with the camera, so the sequence below shows the thru-hull from the galley sink. As you can see, the two bolts are still attached so I wasn't able to actually remove that seacock until I get a second hand, but the process is still shown.

First, using a cut-off wheel on my Dremel tool, I made a series of cuts to create some pie wedges. For the bigger thru-hull in the head, I needed to make a few more slices.



In my research I learned that bronze is a pretty soft metal, so cutting and bending is quite easy. In this next step, I hammered a scraper/chisel under one of the slices and pulled down to bend the slice outwards a little bit, enough to fit the back of a hammer under the slice.



With the hammer under it, pry the piece right off. The pieces pried off surprisingly easy.





Repeat the process for each slice until all you have left is a the clean shaft of the thru-hull in the hole.





At this point I went inside and removed the seacock by just pulling it out. One seacock just fell off after cutting the mushroom, one needed to be pried off with the back of the hammer, and the other just needed some muscle to pull out. Here is the head area with all removed:

Outside:




Inside (thats a flashlight in the middle):



Old seacocks. You can see how corroded they are, no hope for the valves to turn. They are not the newer style Groco seacock with a locking nut on the base.





After figuring out this process, removing these things is a piece of cake. I'll need some help to get the remaining seacocks unbolted, but I am no longer worrying about the process when comes time to start fairing and repairing the bottom.

I'll be using these articles as reference to install new thru-hulls and seacocks (links):

Seacock and Thru-Hull Primer
Replacing Thru-Hulls and Seacocks
Seacock Backing Plates
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Old 25-10-2010, 09:10   #2
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Nice work. I'm really glad you did this as I was looking for this exact advice! And thank you for the links which help.
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Old 25-10-2010, 09:18   #3
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beer, what are you doing with the old ones? please tell me you didnt trash em yet? ill take em for the cost of shipping if you were just gonna dump em... let me know

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Well done, and thanks for sharing your excellent photo-essay.
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An excellent step-by-step instruction !
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Old 25-10-2010, 09:25   #6
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Clear pictures, clear and logical steps. Nice job.
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You do know that there are two raised ridges up in the bore of the sea-cock that allow you to insert a tool like a flat file, and unscrew the thru-hull from the sea-cock.?

Sorry-just reread your post
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Nice job on removing those ancient and potentially dangerous seacocks.

Get yourself some really nice bronze ball valves that are not made in China. Don't even think about using Marelon. I once tried Marelon and every one of them eventually seized up. I broke the handles off either trying to close or open them. People say to exercise them....BS. This should never happen to any valve that has the potential of sinking your boat if it fails to work. Saving a few bucks by buying plastic through hull valves is a really bad idea.
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I've done the same thing with a sawzall to cut off the mushroom head, placing the blade flat against the hull.
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beer, what are you doing with the old ones? please tell me you didnt trash em yet? ill take em for the cost of shipping if you were just gonna dump em... let me know

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I haven't tossed them yet, I was curious if they had any value for scrap bronze. They are sitting around so if you would like them, send me a private message.
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Nice job on removing those ancient and potentially dangerous seacocks.

Get yourself some really bronze ball valves that are not made in China. Don't even think about using Marelon. I once tried Marelon and every one of them eventually seized up. I broke the handles off either trying to close or open them. People say to exercise them....BS. This should never happen to any valve that has the potential of sinking your boat if it fails to work. Saving a few bucks by buying plastic through hull valves is a really bad idea.
Thanks for the tip. I was pretty set on using bronze, but was waiting to do a little more research on Marelon. I want my boat to be sturdy and reliable, I think bronze would fit that mold better than Marelon.
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Sawzall does wonders on old thru-hulls.

Seriously consider the new style of thru hull mounting that Groco has. It is a three part system; a thru hull, a flange adapter and a ball valve. The flange adapter gives you plenty of solid base for the thru hull and it corrects a common mismatch of different threads with seacocks. Take a look at Groco's website for IBV-F flange adapters. I've done 5 and in the process of doing 2 more.
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I have Bronze through hulls at the moment, but I have seriously considered ditching them and glassing in a fibreglass tube with threaded end so as to attach the ball valve.
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is too bad the groco seacocks were so bad-those used to be rebuildable equipment.
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