Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey
I have been on a Bennie. They are horribly ugly and I felt like trash after I was on one. Also those plastic cats I see all the time. More important...all of my sailor friends hate them as much as I do.
I cannot imagine a Bennie owner even contemplating putting in a composting toilet or going to a consignment shop. I suppose they also have maids to clean their interiors. Then again, I don't hang around Bennie owners at all. Even when I was race crewing
As I said, if I wanted to go fast I would get a 40' tri and do 18 kts in 20 kts of wind
. Well, when I was on one we hit 18 but I have no idea what the wind
speed was. It was terror and a fun ride. However, I could not figure out how to steer the damn thing.
If I wanted a mono hull
of that sort I'd get something along the lines of a Togo II shape but larger - you know...twin fin rudder
...they are not sailing boats they are surf boards.
Good luck in a GALE. Ok i said it. not a measly 45. anything sails
well in 45.
Have you ever been on a tri?
I think you have been on that island too long and need a real sail...
PS whats your Moody like?
Well, where to start with all of this.
First of all, 45 is a gale. Technically, a strong gale
(Beaufort Force 9). That is serious wind. I have been out in my Moody in a Force 10, with gusts of about 55 knots, and that's the strongest wind I have ever seen in a few decades of sailing. A good Bene can handle any conditions you are likely to encounter.
Secondly, speed is not about racing
. For a cruiser it's about making miles, and making them in light wind and upwind when necessary. That means, in practical terms, that you can keep sailing when the Contessa drivers have fired up the iron jenny. Multihulls appeal to some people and don't to others. They don't appeal to me. They are somewhat faster (on average) off the wind, but don't go to weather
like a good monohull
, and are scary in big seas. They don't sink (so their proponents say), but you can flip them over.
I do agree that the "plastickiness" of catamarans is a turn off. This aspect of Beneteaus also does not please me. If you want to avoid that aesthetic disadvantage without compromising sailing performance, then be prepared to fork over the money
for something non-production.
My Moody? Well, I bought her on the rebound after failing to close the deal on my dream boat, an Oyster
485. I didn't like her too much at first. She seemed like a bit of a gin palace after the exquisite Oyster
, with her low freeboard, gentle spring in her sheer, and altogether gorgeous lines. But the Oyster (as I discovered in the process of surveying) was knackered, run hard a few times across the Atlantic and put up wet (she had been owned and skippered by the owner of England's America's Cup team), hatches left open in the rain, generally abused and neglected. The Moody, on the other hand, had never been out of sight of land, and had been run by a gentle, skillful skipper
who maybe was not the keenest sailor in the world, but who never damaged her in the slighest way, and catered to her every whim. The exact opposite of the Oyster's previous owner.
With time I gradually appreciated that she sails
much better than the Oyster (she has a much better rig; a stately, very tall 3-spreader Selden mast
rigged, with running backstays
, 8 cockpit
winches, everything elegantly led to the cockpit), that she is beautifully made, and intelligently designed (it's a Bill Dixon design, so I'm not sure why I was surprised). The cabinetry, for example, is absolutely gorgeous, acres of precisely fitted oiled teak
(no plastic in sight!), and I am still trying to understand in what way it is lighter or cheaper than the Oyster's, although my surveyor
warned me about it. Her hull
, Kevlar from the keel
forward, is like the Brooklyn
Bridge, with nary a flex or a creak in the most vicious seas.
She is still bigger than what I wanted, and the 485 would have been just right. But size adds seaworthiness and comfort and so, well, you know, you learn to live with it. The seaworthiness is in a different universe than anything I have sailed before; she laughs at 50 knot
winds, hardly even heeling, with her yankee furled and sailing under self-tacking staysail and deeply reefed main alone. The hull is so easily driven that I can short-tack her without losing so much as a knot
of speed -- she makes her skipper
look like Dennis Conner, even if he is more like Gomer Pyle at heart.
So if you are trying to fit Moodys into your hierarchy of boats -- most English
sailors consider them a cut below HR's, Najads, Oysters, Swans, and Contest, but a cut or two above everything else. I guess that's about right. I like mine very much and have stopped thinking about the lost
Oyster. The Moody 49, designed later than the 54, is an even better choice, refined, improved and just slightly scaled down -- basically just a tighter, better fitted-together package -- but for some reason very expensive, more than the 54's. None of these are made any more; the Moody yard was bankrupted and closed down a few years ago, after almost 200 years in business, and sold to Hanse, which continues the name, but they are different boats.
Here she is lying to her anchor
ten days ago: