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Old 25-04-2016, 11:55   #451
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Re: Island Packet Closing doors

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I wish them well. They built a solid boat and many good people were employed there. Unfortunately over the years the design's got stranger (30 degree angle berth's and SP Cruiser like boats) and the manufacturing process did not improve to drive costs and volume the way you need to in this industry. As such other manufacturers could offer "good enough" quality and a much more comfortable boat for several hundred thousand dollars less than IP.

I wouldn't sail around the world in a Jeanneau, but the cost of an IP485 was a almost a half million dollars more than a Jeanneau 57 or a about the same as a Hanse 575. The Jeanneau and Hanse offered more options and layouts for the interior and exterior, where Bob Johnson was still selling the same fold down table he designed 30 years ago on a boat with 17' of beam.

Darwin's law. Adapt or become extinct.
Jeanneau 57
LOA 58' 4" (17.78 m.)
LWL 50' 4" (15.35 m.)
Beam 16' 4" (5.00 m.)
Draft (std./opt.) 8' 2"/6' 10" (2.50/2.10 m.)
Sail Area (100%) 1,421 sq. ft. ( 132.00 sq. m.)
Ballast (std./opt.) 13,448/14,330 lb. (6,100/6,500 kg.)
Displacement 45,415 lb. (20,600 kg.)
Ballast/D (std.) .29
D/L (std.) 159
SA/D 17.86
Water 246 gal. (930 l.)
Fuel 115 gal. (435 l.)
Holding 60 gal. (227 l.)
Mast Height 79' 4" (24.20 m.)
Engine 140-hp. VW TDI
Designer Philippe Briand Yacht Design
Sailaway Price approximately $750,000
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I could sail One around the world

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Old 25-04-2016, 12:13   #452
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Re: Island Packet Closing doors

Lots of people could ! :-)

Its a nice boat. My point is around the never-land between high volume production manufacturing processes and custom crafted, expensive, high end business models (Oyster, Hylas, Hinkley, etc.).

Island Packet was making a superb quality boat targeting people who did not have bottomless pockets. It was a niche that closed quickly. IP started off as a volume manufacturer (they made hundreds of IP40's and IP370's and IP420s) but they got more and more expensive each year. What I saw was that they lost their market to the companies like Hanse, Jeanneau and Beneteau who were making "good enough" quality. I even went to the factory to see the new 485 prototype. Not many people would have bothered but I had an IP45 for 10 years and loved it. I went to HYLAS for my boat in 2008 because I didn't see the same value in IP that I did in 1998. I also didn't think the interior layouts used the potential provided by the hulls. It seemed like an IP32 interior inside a 16' beam, 53' long boat. It wasn't competitive.

There are some very bright people at IP. Merging with bright people at Seaward may just give them the critical mass and combination to spring back. I hope so.


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