Mexican "TIP" Question?

[zeehag]

consult with mexican consulate. THEY will give you straight scoop.

one has 6 months to decide whether to remain or leave, same as tourist visa--180 days is 6 months. leave before 6 months, no need for renewal of tourist visa or obtaining of tip.

[prof_mariner]

Originally Posted by zeehag

consult with mexican consulate. THEY will give you straight scoop.

Good advice and exactly what I will do before entering Mexican waters.

[IdoraKeeper]

If compliance with the law is not adequate to be safe then the situation passes into the inscrutable. It appears that even folks who are old hands at cruising down in Mexico are only guessing about what has happened and how it will work out. Time will tell. Some folks will go anyhow, what happens then will tell the tale.
I guess we will need a sticky thread to follow the progression of events over the next year or so.

[HappyMdRSailor]

Prof....

Temporary in this case means.... "I will be leaving the country of Mexico with this (TIP'd) item at some date before the ten year expiration"

1. I am not leaving it here indefinitely
2. I am not bringing it here to sell

It's main reason is to avoid paying TAXES on your "personal effects" you are bringing into Mexico. It would be nearly impossible to obtain a TIP for a semi-truck load of lumber for example....

[boatman61]

Hell... you need a TIP in the UK if you intend to stay over a certain time else you get hit with VAT... the EU as well... and that raises a ruckus with you folks... go anywhere, stay as long as you want seems the attitude... but when its reversed..?
How the song changes..

[HappyMdRSailor]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Hell... you need a TIP in the UK if you intend to stay over a certain time else you get hit with VAT... the EU as well... and that raises a ruckus with you folks... go anywhere, stay as long as you want seems the attitude... but when its reversed..?
How the song changes..

Awww Crap.... Now somebody needs to start the.....

"I'm telling all of my friends to stay away from the UK" thread....

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by HappyMdRSailor

Awww Crap.... Now somebody needs to start the.....

"I'm telling all of my friends to stay away from the UK" thread....

Do , the weathers crap , the beers warm , the cars are on the wrong side of the road, hell they even threw boatie out ! ,

Dave

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Hell... you need a TIP in the UK if you intend to stay over a certain time else you get hit with VAT... the EU as well... and that raises a ruckus with you folks... go anywhere, stay as long as you want seems the attitude... but when its reversed..?
How the song changes..

Hey boatie, good money making idea , get yourself a makey-uppy uniform , charge visiting boaters for a TIP in Portugal. They'll be so conditioned they'll pay anything !

DaveS money making ideas # 125

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Hey boatie, good money making idea , get yourself a makey-uppy uniform , charge visiting boaters for a TIP in Portugal. They'll be so conditioned they'll pay anything !

DaveS money making ideas # 125

Remember that US Cat in Porto last year...?
That was me and the GF..

[HappyMdRSailor]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Do , the weathers crap , the beers warm , the cars are on the wrong side of the road, hell they even threw boatie out ! ,

Dave

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by TacomaSailor

Boats were embargoed that had perfect credentials and all the necessary documents.

The Head of Mexican Tourism, the managers of several affected marinas, and respected boat owners in Mexico have all stated that boats that were perfectly legal have been embargoed and no one, not even their Mexican attorneys, can get them off the embargo list.

So - why should I not be worried about obscure rules that might be enforced?

I think you just answered your own question. Many of the boats were 100% perfectly LEGAL, yet incorrectly placed on the embargo list. So we are not talking about Cruisers not following the very well published and clear rules regarding the needed paperwork, but rather the Mexican Officials not following their own rules, and frankly, just screwing up. This entire ordeal is a Government screw-up and Cruisers can panic all they want but if it has nothing to do with following the rules, how will you reading them like an attorney help you or anyone if the Mexican officials simple make a bad mistake....It won't.

What a cruiser needs to do to check-in and legally cruise in Mexico is well know and published. What is seems people are having an incredibilly hard time coming to grips with is that mistakes made by the Mexican Government CAN and DO happen and those mistakes can screw you. The only real solution for this is to not goto Mexico or in some cases even leave your house.

[Prairie Chicken]

I don't know if applicable in this case, but I'm going to guess the "Temporary Import Permit" is a translation of a Spanish word or phrase. I'm sure we've all seen how all words don't always translate accurately across languages. The language issue could be an explanation for the prof's issue.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by prof_mariner

@Dos Gatos - How long were these boats staying in Mexico, or didn't it matter? I know a lot of socal boats head to ensenada to avoid sales tax etc. and consequently stay in Mexico for months before returning.

I guess my hope was that by shortening our stay in Mexico we might avoid or limit the risk of problems, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.

Why do you keep going ?

zeehag nailed it and she knows.

Your boat, your choice.

[TacomaSailor]

Originally Posted by zeehag

consult with mexican consulate. THEY will give you straight scoop.

one has 6 months to decide whether to remain or leave, same as tourist visa--180 days is 6 months. leave before 6 months, no need for renewal of tourist visa or obtaining of tip.

As far as I can tell that statement is just flat wrong when applied to boats brought into Mexico via sea.

The SECTUR / GOB Manual of Tourist Entry says very clearly:
"3.3. ENTRY BY SEA
3.3.1. PRIVATE SHIPS
3.3.1.1. CUSTOMS
Passengers residing in a foreign country entering Mexico in ships such as boats, yachts
or sailing boats must go through the steps of provisional importation of their means of
transportation and in their application at the Mexican Customs, they will indicate out the
electrical devices of the kitchen, furniture and instruments the ship contains, as will as
the merchandise and necessary supplies for their stay in the country.
If you so desire, in the Marina of your preference, you will be helped through these
steps, and in some cases they may be able to go through all the steps for you.
Regardless of whether your nationality is Mexican or foreign, or if you are resident in
national territory or in a foreign country, you may temporarily import your ship for a
maximum of ten years."

There is nothing in that document that says you can wait 6-months to obtain a TIP - or I did I miss something?

The section of the Manual that allows a 6-month window is ONLY for ships that have been imported by LAND.
" 3.3.1.1 Ships that are provisionally imported into national territory by land
The provisional importation of a ship, mobile home or motorcycle may be carried out
together with the vehicle that tows them, through the submission before the Customs of
entry, the corresponding application of provisional importation of vehicles, for a term of
up to six months."

[zeehag]

under the old regime we were given up to 6 months in which to obtain tip`. we were not forced to do it immediately. that is why i was 6 mon ths before i got mine.l.... and visa expired then at 6 months but one could obtain fm3 without returning to place of origin.
i checked into mexico in ensenada in april, 2011. govt changed dec 31, 2012. new govt, new enforcement.

btw...how do you propose to bring a boat to mexico in any other way but sea if you sailed it here.....
..mexican consulate has newest laws and regs.l, they are your ultimate resource for mexico tourism and cruising.