Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 24-09-2017, 00:28   #31
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2015
Boat: L 450
Posts: 75
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

Same issue today,

Dylan gets slower and slower.... and the motor is hot

try to find a solution in Lefkas here.

I will report

M
__________________

__________________
Darksyde is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 25-09-2017, 23:15   #32
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Afloat - Mediteranean
Boat: Lagoon 450 F
Posts: 249
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Brink View Post
Just a quick followup...our chain counter was the same. It would work and then not. Finally got fed up with it not working and pulled it out and installed a simple up/down switch. I like the Keep It Super Simple method.

Jeanette
This is seriously starting to appeal for the remote at the Helm.

Can you share where you wired it to, and how ran the wires back please ?

When med-mooring here I really need control of the windlass whilst my wife is dealing with docklines astern. Not running from bow to stern and back !.

I have a crap workaround atm, but its frustrating !!. (With no sensor, if you push the stop button, the windless remote will work for about 5m, then stop again... push stop again to repeat etc).

Regards

Mark.
__________________

__________________
Catapault is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 17:42   #33
Senior Cruiser
 
Emerald Sea's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Live-aboard Cruiser
Boat: Lagoon 450
Posts: 624
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

Im sure a number of Quick owners have had their helm control stop working as a result of needing to replace the sensor/magnet at the windlass. Ive replaced this sensor and/or magnet 4 times now and this last time, only 4 months ago that I replaced the magnet/sensor, its failed yet again. The magnet is ferrous mild steel it had completely rusted out losing its magnetic ability. It was an easy drill out of the old one but this time I enlarged the hole slightly and installed the replacement magnet saturated with silicone sealant. I though about adding Tefgel but one needs to also secure it in place. Yes its functioning again and I hope it yields a longer life.
__________________
Steve
SV Emerald Sea
L450
Emerald Sea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2017, 00:01   #34
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Afloat - Mediteranean
Boat: Lagoon 450 F
Posts: 249
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

Thanks Steve, Good tip on the magnet. Will give it a try.

Regards

Mark.
__________________
Catapault is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2017, 06:56   #35
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Caribbean
Boat: Lagoon 450
Posts: 503
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

This is an interesting thread. The Quick on the L450 is a 1700W. The anchor supplied by Lagoon is a 25Kg Delta. I would have thought the Quick would have no problem hauling this. We however have a 40Kg Rocna, so quite a bit heavier and a serious load of mud and weed can accumulate on the blade of this anchor. In the last 3 years anchoring in mud and sand usually the winch has never broken down. Sometimes it struggles to lift when the anchor has dived deep into the mud (Chesapeake Bay). Our solution has been to always drive forward in idle, until chain is vertical. Then drive forward (not using windlass), then reverse back over anchor and raising the chain, this puts least amount of stress on windlass motor and the anchor is levered out by the boat movement. I guess a bigger spec windlass may be needed for the bigger anchor, but so far so good - touch wood.
__________________
Bean Counter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-10-2017, 15:16   #36
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 801
Images: 17
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

Going from 25 kg to 40 kg is an increase of 15kg the 13mm chain weighs nearly 3 to 4kg a meter so just like anchoring with an extra 4 meters of chain out. I do not believe the extra 15 kg is a contributing factor.

Now to my problem had the dread Quick motor go slow problem. Motor off and full of oil and carbon black mixture.

Cleaned all up and replaced still no go fast.

Taken to auto electrician, pulling 100 amps no load and not running correctly.

He soldered all the brush and winding connections dressed brushes and commutator all good as new. Pulling 30 amps no load. Motor now works fine.

PROBLEM:Gearbox now out need to replace seal and can find no information on type or quantity of oil to put into gearbox any ideas.
__________________

PaulinOz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-10-2017, 00:29   #37
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 801
Images: 17
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

Thanks to the tireless help of Steve450, I now have a working Quick 1700W anchor winch. The start of the issues seemed to have stemmed from a bad connection in the motor between brushes and winding's. This then seems to have led to excessive current draw (100 amps un-loaded) causing the rear reduction gear box seal to fail.

Removal of the motor involves two only nuts, but they seem to have silicon sealed the motor to the gearbox for some reason which involves a lot of brute strength and wriggling while laying in the anchor well area in an awkward position. Be careful not to drop the key in the motor shaft into the chain locker, don't ask how I know it is a bitch to find again.

Once motor is outside hanging on the cables the plastic outer shroud can be removed and cables undone to reveal the motor.

The gearbox hangs bellow the windlass on 4 x 17mm nuts, it drops out fairly easily, just awkward position to access.

So cost to repair $120 AUD to Auto electrician to re-solder all connections in motor and re-surface commutator and brushes.

$7.60 for rear seal of gear box.

Plus 500 ml of SAE 90 gearbox oil.

When I drained it only 220ml came out and with no data that I could find anywhere on fill amount, they seem to imply it is a replacement if faulty item (which is ridiculous) we filled it till just overflowed back out of filler hole on side when level which turned out to be 500 ml.

Now runs between 29 and 30 meters a minute in both directions. People say there unit is running slower than normal, what speed though?

The helm remote, if you push the menu button will display the battery voltage at the relay / time and date / speed of chain movement. So If you did not know read the instructions and have look while it is working normal, so in the future if you think it is going slower you will know for sure. I was down to 6 meters a minute before pulling unit apart to repair.

Replacement motor in Oz is $800 plus AUD.
__________________

PaulinOz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-10-2017, 09:11   #38
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2015
Boat: L 450
Posts: 75
Re: Lagoon 450 Windlass Quick,Dylan FAIL

We found the Problem

In our case it was a cable in the motor that was not thick enough and gets loose

Fixed
__________________

__________________
Darksyde is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
lagoon, wind, windlass

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Quick Windlass johnhulme Anchoring & Mooring 6 05-05-2014 09:10
Quick - I Need 10 Quick Easy ... and Meatless ... Recipes ! windtraveler Provisioning: Food & Drink 51 16-03-2012 13:42
Has anyone taken apart a Quick Windlass? clubjack Construction, Maintenance & Refit 1 02-03-2009 12:16
Quick vs. Maxwell windlass CarlF Anchoring & Mooring 1 17-02-2009 19:39
quick windlass model aster d1000 candycat Anchoring & Mooring 1 13-10-2008 13:25



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 13:55.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.