380 S2: ARC 2015

[Polux]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

racing is annoying. Robs you enjoyment of the moment. Like going nice place with camera and taking pictures all the time instead of experiencing place. I just put in extra reef to telegraph that not interested.

especially monos, as there is really nothing else to do during sail than constantly twist sail settings.

Not really racing, only wanting to pass the the boat ahead of you

If you have not fun setting the sails right, 15 to 17 days at the sea are going to be quite boring.

[careka]

Django only has one cat in front of him, the rest is behind him . Go Go Django. show them your stern

[Polux]

Yes very fast that Lagoon 38 that (in what regards cats) has only ahead a Catana 472 and behind a lot of bigger cats, but on that division they can use the engine so we only have an idea of the true performance more ahead and truly only at the end when we saw the engine hours.

I hope he has not used the engine and in that case the performance is outstanding.

Too soon to tell about comparative results but for know the Big cats, two Fountain Pajot 67, a Lagoon 52 and a Fountain Pajot 57 and a Catana 582 are way behind the leading boats, two monohull, a Shipman 62 and a X 612. Curiously the Catana 472 is the one that is closer.

That Catana 472 is really going fast and regarding monohulls only a 46fter is on its tail, an Azuree 46 (very fast too) and providing both are sailing, it would be very interesting to follow the crossing of those two. But as I said it is still too soon.

The ones that want to follow the race and the crossing can do it here:

http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/arc...eetviewer.aspx

[careka]

Django does not use his engines he is a Sailor. he has sailed cats for more than 30 years,
he has sailed many races in his time, and with this lagoon380, beaten many mono`s (half boats) even in singelhanded races.
So follow this one, and you will se what a Lagoon 380 can do.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by careka

Django does not use his engines he is a Sailor. he has sailed cats for more than 30 years,
he has sailed many races in his time, and with this lagoon380, beaten many mono`s (half boats) even in singelhanded races.
So follow this one, and you will se what a Lagoon 380 can do.

Yes, I believe you are right. The doubt I raised meant no offense, just a possibility that I had seen on other boats in other editions. I remember a Island Packet 485 that had done once a "brilliant" start for some days

I have been following the ARC for several years and I have not only saw that a condo cat well sailed can be fast downwind on the trade winds, specially (if it has good medium or strong wind as it is to be expected there) as performance monohull cruisers are not slower than the cats on a Transat like this (generally speaking). The ARC+ is not a good one to see that since there are very few performance monohulls here besides the big ones that are on the lead and the Azuree 46. The ARC, with much more boats will be a better one to see that.

Anyway that Lagoon 38 is making a fantastic race, well ahead of many other bigger multihulls and monohulls of the same size.

Regarding the head of the race we can see almost side by side a X 612, a Shipman 63, a Swan 651, a Fountain Pajot 67, a Catana 582 and just a bit behind a Catana 472 and an Azuree 46.

I would say that till now the more impressive performance are the ones from the Azuree 46, the Catana 472....and the one of the Lagoon 38. Congratulation to him, he is certainly a great sailor.

http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/eventfleetviewer.aspx

[careka]

Django and his crew are now #1 i Multihull class and #1 over al. And this is in the "slow camping boxs" Lagoon 380 i just love it.

[Looking4Neptune]

The Catana 472 - is that El Gato? Eric and Annie are both great sailors and very competitive. Annie was an Olympic windsurfer as well.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by careka

Django and his crew are now #1 i Multihull class and #1 over al. And this is in the "slow camping boxs" Lagoon 380 i just love it.

Django is making a great race and the "real" position of the boat is very good but regarding to be 1st in class and 1st overall it has nothing to do with the boat. That is a classification in compensated time and only means that Django is considered to be the one that is sailing better the boat to his rating and that is remarkable for Django. I had said before and say again: Congratulations to him. He is a great sailor!!!

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Looking4Neptune

The Catana 472 - is that El Gato? Eric and Annie are both great sailors and very competitive. Annie was an Olympic windsurfer as well.

Yes it is. Great sailing too: Med sailors on the first Atlantic crossing

For following the race or to see the name and type of the boats just put the mouse over them:

World Cruising Club - Fleet Viewer

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Polux

Not really racing, only wanting to pass the the boat ahead of you

If you have not fun setting the sails right, 15 to 17 days at the sea are going to be quite boring.

totally agree. "North U. TRIM" book I am going thru now will help me set sail better.

But still dont like racing. Maybe to do with particular crooky cat owner that purposely hit our cat due to some stupid racing rule and start same second waving with his 'lawyer' team card.

[Sailmonkey]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

totally agree. "North U. TRIM" book I am going thru now will help me set sail better.



But still dont like racing. Maybe to do with particular crooky cat owner that purposely hit our cat due to some stupid racing rule and start same second waving with his 'lawyer' team card.

Actually racing rules prohibit contact if there is room and opportunity for the unburdened vessel to keep clear.


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[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Sailmonkey

Actually racing rules prohibit contact if there is room and opportunity for the unburdened vessel to keep clear.


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he must have been some important local official, whose parents got rich by killing aborigines.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

totally agree. "North U. TRIM" book I am going thru now will help me set sail better.

But still dont like racing. Maybe to do with particular crooky cat owner that purposely hit our cat due to some stupid racing rule and start same second waving with his 'lawyer' team card.

I am with you in what not liking doing around the cans racing, but that is just a personal thing. However racing across an ocean has noting to do with it. Even with so many boats around you rarely see another boat, except at the start

Regarding the ARC everything is still pretty much the same with the boats going with medium winds and some stronger ones on the way. However in some days and till the finish they will have several patches of weak winds and it would be very interesting to compare then the performance of the heavier boats with the lighter ones. With medium to strong winds those differences are attenuated.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Polux

I am with you in what not liking doing around the cans racing, but that is just a personal thing. However racing across an ocean has noting to do with it. Even with so many boats around you rarely see another boat, except at the start

Regarding the ARC everything is still pretty much the same with the boats going with medium winds and some stronger ones on the way. However in some days and till the finish they will have several patches of weak winds and it would be very interesting to compare then the performance of the heavier boats with the lighter ones. With medium to strong winds those differences are attenuated.

how much do you think knowing your boat well, adds to performance ?

Leading L38 suggests skills are large component of performance. As people sell boat after couple of years, they cant even get to know the boat properly.

I remember seeing someone on Seawind 1000, really skilled, what a difference that makes even against much larger boats. But I think he owned it more than 10 years.

[monte]

Safe trip mate. See you in the carib!