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**minaret** · 17-09-2013, 17:48

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

I have been watched and debated on that boat for a few months. Even had the broker send me additional photos and completion estimates. But, I decided that I don't know enough about boat construction to complete the refit. Love the design. Thanks for posting it

You don't need to know anything about it, just have to hire the right people who do. Plenty of money left over from your budget, loads of good craftsmen nearby. Maybe not well located for you? Time?

Good way to get what you want exactly how you want it...

deckofficer · 17-09-2013, 18:59

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Bob, I don't know how similar power cats are to sail cats, but I walked on 3 cats at the Newport Show, and hated the space. There was no space. The biggest one that we went on was 45'. They have absolutely no room. I was actually chuckling as folks were bumping into eachother trying to get on and off, thinking of my kids knocking eachother over

I I also didn't like the staterooms in the narrow hull. Everything was tight, tight, tight, and forget storage...

Cabin and stateroom accommodations are about the same, power or sailing cats. I know the skinny hulls pinch the berths, but berths on a cruising boat are for sleeping, not entertaining. Try to think of your purchase as a vessel and not a home that floats. You like the space of a multi level, tall pilot house super structure and who wouldn't for a home. But alas this is a vessel, along with windage, wetted surface, and needing stability. Once your out there making a passage, the more thought you give to what makes a good handling vessel in messy sea states, the higher your comfort level will be when conditions are poor.

Now I've read some of your later posts with thoughts that the purchase might be for a boat that stays in the marina most the time, and a later purchase would be for more serious cruising. For us to help you, these change of plans alters the boat's mission. That one motoryacht that you like gets 0.33 nm per gallon at 20 kt, a far cry from the 2.0 nm per gallon of the cats I've posted. I have picked vessels based on you operating them almost immediately, that were sea kindly, safe, low maintenance and fuel consumption and can enjoy a clear, light blue pristine anchorage due to shallow draft.

I can find marina queens if that is the updated plans.

sobraon · 17-09-2013, 23:18

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Originally Posted by deckofficer

Cabin and stateroom accommodations are about the same, power or sailing cats. I know the skinny hulls pinch the berths, but berths on a cruising boat are for sleeping, not entertaining. Try to think of your purchase as a vessel and not a home that floats. You like the space of a multi level, tall pilot house super structure and who wouldn't for a home. But alas this is a vessel, along with windage, wetted surface, and needing stability. Once your out there making a passage, the more thought you give to what makes a good handling vessel in messy sea states, the higher your comfort level will be when conditions are poor.

Now I've read some of your later posts with thoughts that the purchase might be for a boat that stays in the marina most the time, and a later purchase would be for more serious cruising. For us to help you, these change of plans alters the boat's mission. That one motoryacht that you like gets 0.33 nm per gallon at 20 kt, a far cry from the 2.0 nm per gallon of the cats I've posted. I have picked vessels based on you operating them almost immediately, that were sea kindly, safe, low maintenance and fuel consumption and can enjoy a clear, light blue pristine anchorage due to shallow draft.

I can find marina queens if that is the updated plans.

I posted earlier of a couple of options. One of them is a 65' Catamaran, however it isn't a converted sailing cat similar to those posted so far. As far as I am aware it is one of the first purpose built and designed expeditionary catamarans on the water. It has all the room and redundancies of a large Nordhavn with economies of a cat. The pilot house and saloon are bigger than that of a 78' Nordhavn. It will be an ideal family boat as it has 3 large staterooms.
The design uses the latest breakthrough in hull design and is set to change the way cruisers view expeditionary trawlers.

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Richard5 · 18-09-2013, 01:32

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Originally Posted by GalaxyGirl

Jack, I like this one

Wish it were closer, but I like it

Good job!

RE: post #123

Too much glass especially the lower structure, forward towards the bow. At least have storm boards and slots for every window. Topsides I would slice off the structure to make an open fly bridge. All antennas go on flying arch. Can't tell, maybe it's angle of pic but radome looks tilted with respect to waterline.

Curved glass on topsides looks cool...until you have to replace or batten down.

But hull looks fantastic as does aft quarters.

GalaxyGirl · 18-09-2013, 04:34

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Originally Posted by minaret

You don't need to know anything about it, just have to hire the right people who do. Plenty of money left over from your budget, loads of good craftsmen nearby. Maybe not well located for you? Time?

Good way to get what you want exactly how you want it...

I hear what your saying and believe me, I've considered it, especially since I'm having trouble finding what I want and the one boat that I loved sold while I was standing on it.

Problem is the developer in me can't wrap her head around hiring someone to do a big job like that and not being able to monitor quality myself. I'm accustomed to acting as GC, and I know the corners that contractors try to cut. But, when you know what your doing, they aren't able to get away with as much. I'm that person that will do something once and right. So not knowing if my major refit is being done right, and having to learn what I would do differently next time, is not what I'm prepared to take on. Now, refitting heads and the galley on whatever boat I get is another story

rw58ph · 18-09-2013, 08:43

A boat is built much like a house except the studs are 2X2 instead of 2X4, marine plywood instead of dry wall, epoxy instead of plaster, the wiring is multi stand insred of solid, the plumbing is mostly hose. Many of the walls are just maine plywood with no studs except for the bulk heads that support as the rest of the walls are non bearing just like a house. The interior is basically RV stuff as it usually smaller, sinks, stove refrigeration, lighting. Howevre, when we remodled a large % was dirt.

The big concern for older boats is the AC/Dc wiring as they may be corroded and usually to not meet ABYC. I would have a survey done by the ABYC as it can get quite expensive and as a live aboard the insurance company may require. Our insurance company sent an internal surveyor that when through the whole boat, and we had 90 days to bring up to AYBC.

Luckily the panel and/or wire did not need replacing, but additional fuses breakers, GF out lets, auto shut down gen set, smoke, fire and high water alarms. I did 90% of the work with a certified marine electrical checking and signing off. If the electrical panel and the wiring had to be replaced it would have been very expensive. I sleep a lot better, however there are so many alarms in its hard to figure which one is chirping/beeping. I have one chirping now, but not often enough to pin point.