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avb3 · 16-01-2012, 17:19

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

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A forum such as this should not engage in denigrating rescue or ill-informed conclusions nor use it to advance ones own prejudices on chars or what not. We are trying to understand what happened that's all
Dave

It's become pretty clear the captain was showing off for his head waiter.

Cruise disaster: captain neared rocks in Facebook stunt for friend's family - Telegraph

The Facebook posting is BEFORE any incident. A very rough translation courtesy Google translate says:
soon will pass close by the harmony of coastline crusade, a salute to my brother at Savona sbrachera finally, to enjoy a little 'holiday

Captain was an idiot, period.

PyotrBee · 16-01-2012, 17:22

It certainly appears that way, but there could be other factors as well. Its still entirely possible that the captains actions were with in the accepted realm of safety but that something else DID happen and turned into the mess that it is. Even for a close pass, as close as they came seems far more prudent than a cruise ship captain would do on purpose.

goboatingnow · 16-01-2012, 17:25

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Originally Posted by avb3

It's become pretty clear the captain was showing off for his head waiter.

Cruise disaster: captain neared rocks in Facebook stunt for friend's family - Telegraph

The Facebook posting is BEFORE any incident. A very rough translation courtesy Google translate says:

soon will pass close by the harmony of coastline crusade, a salute to my brother at Savona sbrachera finally, to enjoy a little 'holiday

Captain was an idiot, period.

My quote was not directed at the captain. Please read stuff before quoting. As to his competence well see. Maybe he wasnt in command at the time.

kaimusailing · 16-01-2012, 17:43

I sometimes think when I am in unfamiliar waters, that if I handle my boat like a large ship, I will avoid grounding troubles.

Rakuflames · 16-01-2012, 17:46

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Originally Posted by St. Elsewhere

NBC news reports "Schettino has told Italian television that the ship hit rocks that were not marked on maps and were not detected by navigation systems."

Rocks not detected by navigation systems sounds like Concordia was equipped with side scan sonar. If so, they should have known they were too close prior to impact. It raises more questions about why they got so close to shore.

There are a lot of things I don't know for certain here, but I'll be surprised if the rocks were unmarked. I think Jersey's comment may be something that contributed to the incident -- for whatever reason, someone zoomeed out on the electronics to the point that critical local details were lost.

red_sky · 16-01-2012, 18:17

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Originally Posted by avb3

It's become pretty clear the captain was showing off for his head waiter.

Cruise disaster: captain neared rocks in Facebook stunt for friend's family - Telegraph

The Facebook posting is BEFORE any incident. A very rough translation courtesy Google translate says:
soon will pass close by the harmony of coastline crusade, a salute to my brother at Savona sbrachera finally, to enjoy a little 'holiday
Captain was an idiot, period.

Good lord... the telegraph? facebook? don't eat that johnny, that's poop!

Wand · 16-01-2012, 19:00

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Originally Posted by red_sky

Good lord... the telegraph? facebook? don't eat that johnny, that's poop!

It's okay; I've checked the Guardian and they say the same...

CarinaPDX · 16-01-2012, 19:23

In answer to a couple of earlier posts, the track of the ship coming out of Civitavecchia had it passing well east of Giannutri (the island SE of Giglio). This was required as there is a large marine park around Giannutri, and IIRC the ship would not have been allowed to transit the park waters. Thus to pass by Giglio the ship had to turn to port around the roughly circular park and proceed on a course slightly north of west to approach Gigio directly. This in turn requires a near-90 degree turn to starboard upon closing on the island, a little south of Le Scole. I am suspicious that the turn was started too late to stay offshore, but it is also possible that the turn was completed south of Le Scole and they didn't account for Le Scole and its surrounding hazards as they steamed north. Either way, there is no excuse for this happening. Of course the chartplotter might have mislead them, but the radar would have shown the hazards. We are frequently reminded to never rely on a single source of navigational information, yet that seems to have been the case here.

I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned the reports that the captain was seen drinking in a bar onboard with an attractive woman, after leaving port at 7PM and before the collision at 10PM. Aside from the alcohol issue, I can't help but wonder if this same woman may have been on the bridge with the captain at the time of the collision (distractions anyone?). (No, ladies, I am not implying that she would have any responsibility for this mess.

And such distractions are more than welcome on my bridge

)

Greg

IslandHopper · 16-01-2012, 19:39

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Originally Posted by CarinaPDX

I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned the reports that the captain was seen drinking in a bar......
Greg

Because there are no reports that he was drinking alcohol....

Plenty of Cruise ship masters socialise with the passengers, in fact on a lot of them it's a requirement, but i would say the majority are drinking nothing more than non-alcoholic drinks....

But that's not news worthy....

Edit: Also that would have been one of the first things he would have been tested for....

MacG · 16-01-2012, 20:32

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The Guardian:

Among those still unaccounted for is a five-year-old girl. "This has been the most emotional job I've ever done," said Raiteri. "We were looking for survivors, yet finding bodies." Gianni added: "We are prepared for the worst, but we tell the younger divers to think positive and focus on finding survivors."

Paolo, 36, said he had dived 25 metres down within the hull of the ship, arriving on the landward side to find cabins crushed to a mess of metal against the rocks. Just as he was positioning himself came the moment all the divers had dreaded: alerted by a sudden sound of screeching steel, he realised the 114,000 tonne liner had shifted slightly as rough weather arrived and waves began to beat against the hull. Lodged on rocks yards from the coast, the vessel stands in 37 metres of water. But only 30 metres away the rock shelf drops abruptly, and the depth is 70 metres; there was a distinct possibility the ship might suddenly be dislodged off the shelf and plunge into the deep.

"I didn't panic," said Paolo. "I immediately felt tugs on the cord connecting me to the surface telling me to come up. I retraced my path and was off the ship in three minutes." Despite the retreat, divers were given the all clear to return later in the day.

Navy explosive divers are now readying charges to blast holes in the upturned, port side of the ship. That, they say, will give quick access to the lower decks where six missing crew members may be found, even if the chances get slimmer by the hour. No miraculous pockets of air which might have saved passengers have been found. "The possibility of finding survivors is now down to a minimum," said Sergio Ortelli, mayor of Giglio.

It is clear that everyone involved in saving the trapped passengers are doing their utmost.
National pride is important and Italians have a long standing diving culture, let that be clear.
To put a few things in proper relation I posted the above. No way that I insult any of these divers, what I say is that the Costa people are responsible and have to make all possible efforts to search for their missing pax and crew in the hull.

nave Costa Concordia - 13/01/2012 isola del Giglio - YouTube

Infrared camera of the Coast Guard Helicopter Group

SaucySailoress · 16-01-2012, 23:33

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Originally Posted by CarinaPDX

I am a bit surprised that no one has mentioned the reports that the captain was seen drinking in a bar onboard with an attractive woman, after leaving port at 7PM and before the collision at 10PM. Aside from the alcohol issue, I can't help but wonder if this same woman may have been on the bridge with the captain at the time of the collision (distractions anyone?). (No, ladies, I am not implying that she would have any responsibility for this mess.

And such distractions are more than welcome on my bridge

)
Greg

Perhaps because we haven't heard of this! Could you post a source, please?

IslandHopper · 16-01-2012, 23:52

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Originally Posted by SaucySailoress

Perhaps because we haven't heard of this! Could you post a source, please?

Here....

Costa Concordia cruise ship crash: Captain 'was in a bar with glamorous woman' before tragedy - mirror.co.uk

I saw it reported a couple of days ago, but have heard nothing since about alcohol been involved....

Innocent until proven huh........

goboatingnow · 17-01-2012, 00:38

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Originally Posted by IslandHopper

Here....

Costa Concordia cruise ship crash: Captain 'was in a bar with glamorous woman' before tragedy - mirror.co.uk

I saw it reported a couple of days ago, but have heard nothing since about alcohol been involved....

Innocent until proven huh........

Reported on the mirror I believe, that paragon of truth and justice ( and alien abduction ). It's very unlikely the captain would have been on the bridge anyway. Most bridge work at sea is routinely in the hands of the mates