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Old 04-08-2017, 05:04   #31
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you don't need a permit to own just to carry concealed ..

a good flare gun and a few shotgun shells ??
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you don't need a permit to own just to carry concealed ..

a good flare gun and a few shotgun shells ??
Nope, verboten and you will need a licence to even carry a fishing rod. Don't even think about a spear gun.

Don't forget the EU has about 4000 years of history killing each other. Now we are over that malarkey we are all best buddies, most of the time

The US will eventually be like us, it will just take a few centuries before you lay down those guns.

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a good flare gun and a few shotgun shells ??


Assuming it doesn't blow up in your hand it's still a firearm, and likely worse than a pistol as you are obviously trying to conceal it.

Real possibility of spending time in a very bad place along with the possibility of losing your boat all make it so that trying to illegally conceal a firearm is a very foolish thing to do, maybe on par with drug smuggling in Indonesia
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Still not clear to me, why do you need a permit to exercise your constitutional right?
The Constitution guarantees you the right to own guns. It doesn't guarantee that a state or municipality won't require you to register it and get a permit.

The Constitution also does not guarantee you the right to shoot the gun.
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If it is legit and customary to have a gun in your country then it is legit and customary to keep it there.

PLS do not bring your guns to places where people neither keep them not use them.

If I see you with a gun while you visit any of the places I visit, I will immediately report you to the nearest police officer / customs office and immigration service. It is up to them to decide what procedures you have to follow.

I have visited Brazil and understand it is a dangerous country. Possibly also because people have guns. Elsewhere, normal people tend not to have guns and the places tend to be safer.

My advice: leave your guns at home.

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Still not clear to me, why do you need a permit to exercise your constitutional right?
That is the $64,000 question.

Or, its because as Americans have been electing and re electing the same wrong people for over 100 years.

Every congressman swears an oath to preserve, protect, and defend our constitution. How many do? (Maybe one I can think of)
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The Constitution guarantees you the right to own guns. It doesn't guarantee that a state or municipality won't require you to register it and get a permit.

The Constitution also does not guarantee you the right to shoot the gun.
Following this logic, the freedom of speech article does not give you a right to open your mouth. And does not guaranty that a state or municipality won't require you to get a permit to express yourself. Right?
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That is the $64,000 question.

Or, its because as Americans have been electing and re electing the same wrong people for over 100 years.

Every congressman swears an oath to preserve, protect, and defend our constitution. How many do? (Maybe one I can think of)
You are right, but, I suppose, people deserve those whom they elect.
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Even if you legitimately had to use a weapon to defend yourself, there is a chance that you will not come out ahead with the local judicial system after someone is dead. This is especially true with a foreigner killing a local. The jury, who will be locals, in all likelihood will side with the local. Most countries in this world frown upon gun ownership by it's individual citizens.

I don't think the risk/reward is worth it.
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What utter bollicks, particularly when they have used photographs of the Manchester and London attacks in the back ground to make the point.

There are 3/4 billion people in Europe. I suspect there are more killed each day on the roads than are killed each year by the guns of terrorists. What the Sheriff doesn't explain is how you would use a gun again someone like the Manchester bomber who had a rucksac with explosives in it?

The Sheriff shouldn't comment on things in countries he doesn't understand.

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You are right, but, I suppose, people deserve those whom they elect.
Yes, but since -I- didn't elect any if the last people who got elected in the last 20 years, I'm stuck with the clowns the "majority" deserve.
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1. Gun owner
2. Former NRA member
3. Also have traveled beyond my little jurisdiction in the world.

4. Firearm legality will depend on the flag of your vessel & the territorial waters you intend to be in. Respect local laws.

5. Contrary to some's political viewpoints, the 2nd Amendment or the right to bear arms is not universal or negates obligation to dutifully report/secure firearms when required by local restrictions.

6. Situational awareness beats out any defensive tools you may have. Even if you "win" an encounter with a firearm, you still lose because you've likely ended your sailing freedom for quite some time.

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Most countries in this world frown upon gun ownership by it's individual citizens.

I don't think the risk/reward is worth it.
As a responsible gun owner/target shooter here in the U.S., this is the bottom line for me. The pros & cons onboard a cruising boat have little to do with personal opinions or politics, although some of the more practical downsides posters have cited in this and all too many other threads have been helpful. What I found the most persuasive were comments from a few posters who were both long-time gun owners/shooters (from Europe no less) who are also long-time, professional delivery skippers. One example that comes to mind are posts from "goboatingnow".

Hope this helps the OP.
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