Cruisers Forum
 


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-08-2017, 20:16   #91
Registered User
 
Lost Horizons's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Boat: Island Packet 349
Posts: 654
Re: guns and sailing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exile View Post
the only country who had an outright ban upon penalty of imprisonment (guns declared or not) was Mexico
That is correct. You need to obtain a permit with their consulate in advance if you want to bring any firearms to Mexico. Otherwise, just toss it overboard before checking in.
Lost Horizons is offline   Reply
Old 09-08-2017, 20:55   #92
Registered User
 
Exile's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Land of Disenchantment
Boat: Bristol 47.7
Posts: 5,170
Re: guns and sailing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost Horizons View Post
That is correct. You need to obtain a permit with their consulate in advance if you want to bring any firearms to Mexico. Otherwise, just toss it overboard before checking in.
My $300 Mossberg Mariner shotgun would be a good candidate for that. As I recall, the sailors mentioned above did contact the Mexican consulate in advance but were denied a permit. Given how strict they are you probably need a compelling reason. Pretty ironic given the violence & carnage going on in that country the past decade or so.
Exile is offline   Reply
Old 10-08-2017, 05:33   #93
Registered User
 
SV Siren's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Allegan, Mi
Boat: 1968 Columbia 50
Posts: 519
Re: guns and sailing

If you are going to do it...go big...

Seriously though...there are many discussions on this topic already on this forum, search is your friend, and every country is different. You just have to weigh for yourself the cost/benefit of the risk.

__________________
Fair winds from the crew of the S/V Siren.
SV Siren is offline   Reply
Old 10-08-2017, 06:09   #94
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Fiji Airways/ Lake Ontario
Boat: Want a B430!
Posts: 1,527
Images: 11
Re: guns and sailing

Quote:
Originally Posted by jim321 View Post
a good flare gun and a few shotgun shells ??

In USA (and finally Canada which made much hubaloo about the topic) they are flare launchers, not guns (not firearms.)

Despite the "12 gauge" moniker, the 12 gauge shotshell and 12 gauge flare are not interchangeable in form- i.e., you can't use a 12 gauge shotshell in a 12 gauge flare launcher.

The pressure profile of the 12 gauge shotshell far exceeds that of the flare. The general advice on turn of the century Damascus shotgun barrels is to NOT fire modern shotshells...and Damascus is metal. Given that the flare launcher chamber is plastic (and far weaker than even Damascus steel), it is foolhardy to even think about trying it.

Never, ever plan or try to fire a 12 gauge shotshell from a flare launcher.


Aside from that, you'll get into just as much trouble if caught with ammo as if caught with a firearm. So using a 12 gauge insert in a flare launcher and having 12 gauge shotshells doesn't keep one from upsetting the law.
Tetepare is offline   Reply
Old 10-08-2017, 06:23   #95
Registered User
 
danielamartindm's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
Boat: Leopard 39
Posts: 860
Re: guns and sailing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetepare View Post
In USA (and finally Canada which made much hubaloo about the topic) they are flare launchers, not guns (not firearms.)

Despite the "12 gauge" moniker, the 12 gauge shotshell and 12 gauge flare are not interchangeable in form- i.e., you can't use a 12 gauge shotshell in a 12 gauge flare launcher.

The pressure profile of the 12 gauge shotshell far exceeds that of the flare. The general advice on turn of the century Damascus shotgun barrels is to NOT fire modern shotshells...and Damascus is metal. Given that the flare launcher chamber is plastic (and far weaker than even Damascus steel), it is foolhardy to even think about trying it.

Never, ever plan or try to fire a 12 gauge shotshell from a flare launcher.


Aside from that, you'll get into just as much trouble if caught with ammo as if caught with a firearm. So using a 12 gauge insert in a flare launcher and having 12 gauge shotshells doesn't keep one from upsetting the law.
Years ago, I purchased a device that was marketed as a "Machete Stopper." It's a beautifully engineered tube of steel with a screw-on back end that contains a firing pin. A .410 shell is placed in it, the cap is screwed on, and the assembly is placed into a standard plastic flare gun. The hammer of the flare gun engages the firing pin, and as the entire firing mechanism is contained within this heavy steel gun-quality cylinder, no safety issues. You can leave the loaded cylinder in a drawer and pop it in a flare gun if need be. Of course, customs officials would certainly deem this a weapon if it aroused their suspicion and they chose to take it apart.
danielamartindm is offline   Reply
Old 10-08-2017, 06:25   #96
Registered User
 
Olddan1943's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Aventura, FL
Boat: 2008 American Tug 34 #116
Posts: 655
Re: guns and sailing

Customs may want to visit your boat to visually inspect the firearms and count the ammo. I understand and accept that possibility.
I have NO intentions of removing the shot gun from my boat.

It is the same in the US when boarded by the USCG.... Stay at the helm and TELL them where the gun/guns and ammo are located.

Sad to say but, the days of the 'friendly' USCG are past.
Olddan1943 is offline   Reply
Old 10-08-2017, 06:40   #97
Registered User
 
Olddan1943's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Aventura, FL
Boat: 2008 American Tug 34 #116
Posts: 655
Re: guns and sailing

IF you have shotgun shells on board, you better have a shotgun of matching caliber.

Come on folks, think of the damage a flare can do to a person.
Doesn't matter the size of the flare launcher, when that flare ignites, the "target" will not be a happy person.

I am not sure if flares will work on zombies or aliens from other planets.
Olddan1943 is offline   Reply
Old 10-08-2017, 11:56   #98
Moderator
 
weavis's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: UK-Mallorca
Posts: 13,278
Send a message via Skype™ to weavis
Re: guns and sailing

Well guys.

Guess we have run the normal course for a gun thread and time to close it down.

Back

to sailing.

__________________
- Never test how deep the water is with both feet -
10% of conflicts are due to different opinions. 90% by the tone of voice.
Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder.
weavis is offline   Reply
Closed Thread

Tags
Guns, sail, sailing

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Guns, Guns, Gun Owners Group on CF Kenomac Our Community 23 01-11-2014 18:55
Flare-guns and other alternatives (excluding guns) as weapons BlueSovereign Health, Safety & Related Gear 5 26-03-2009 07:01

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:23.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.