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26-06-2019, 18:17
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#346
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Darwin, Australia.
Boat: Alan Payne "Koonya" design 39'
Posts: 200
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by daletournier
When do you sell, how do you decide that?
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A conservative person would sell about 50% at the previous all time high of US$20,000, but personally I am holding out for a much higher figure.
This investment is unique in that there is a definite finite supply and potentially unlimited demand in time.
Total max supply ever will be 21 million... now consider the fact that there are over 35 million millionaires already in our world and hardly any of them have even heard of this asset class.
If you can wrap your head around the fact that at this stage its only the geeks and now the early adopters buying Bitcoin, then you should see the huge potential here.
Institutional investment groups are beginning to get set up to move a small portion of their portfolio into Crypto, and when that happens the limited supply problem will really kick in.
My price prediction is $50k by dec 2019 and $250k within 2.5 years...
DO NOT BUY ON MARGIN OR WITH BORROWED MONEY.
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09-07-2019, 05:18
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#347
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CLOD
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: being planted in Jacksonville Fl
Boat: none
Posts: 20,458
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Re: Budget Be Damned
Market has been UP still. It has made up 75% of what we have spent cruising so far this year. At that rate (or even 1/4 of it) I can cruise till I'm well into my 100s and I don't really have that much invested (compared to the financial advisor stories you read). That is point of the thread.
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09-07-2019, 05:46
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#348
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: North west BC.
Posts: 128
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by sailorboy1
Market has been UP still. It has made up 75% of what we have spent cruising so far this year. At that rate (or even 1/4 of it) I can cruise till I'm well into my 100s and I don't really have that much invested (compared to the financial advisor stories you read). That is point of the thread.
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Financial advisers, like it or not are employed to make themselves and the company they work for money.
Otherwise they would not have a job, no one works for free.
Again sailorboy, I thank you. Great post('s), they are an inspiration and an education.
RR
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09-07-2019, 06:21
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#349
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Port Credit, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 7,203
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Re: Budget Be Damned
How much money do you want to die with ?
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09-07-2019, 06:26
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#350
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Jacksonville/ out cruising
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 31,351
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Budget Be Damned
The longer the high is, the longer the low will be.
The question is of course do you have enough to maintain your standard of living during the low?
We would all like it if the market stayed high.
I have more assets now than when I Retired, but don’t expect that to stay that way, the economy is manipulated of course and I don’t know if keeping it high just means that when it falls it falls further or not.
I do know that you can’t take a couple of years and determine the future.
It is good that it’s high though, assuming there will be highs and lows, it’s best that you get to ride a high to begin with and have your assets grow to get thru the bad times
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09-07-2019, 06:32
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#351
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Port Credit, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 7,203
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Re: Budget Be Damned
I'd love to go back to the days of 20% interest rates.
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09-07-2019, 06:36
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#352
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Jacksonville/ out cruising
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 31,351
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Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by boatpoker
I'd love to go back to the days of 20% interest rates.
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Except that it would trash the economy so bad that if your money is in the market you would lose a lot of it.
I used to think that I would like to see the return of higher rates too, as it would logically seem to help someone with savings and no debt, but maybe not.
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09-07-2019, 07:19
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#353
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CLOD
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: being planted in Jacksonville Fl
Boat: none
Posts: 20,458
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by boatpoker
How much money do you want to die with ?
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$0.01, because I don't want to die penniless
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09-07-2019, 07:44
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#354
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Palmetto, FL
Boat: "Wanderlust" -- 1999 Jefferson Rivanna 52'
Posts: 874
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by sailorboy1
$0.01, because I don't want to die penniless
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Good point
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09-07-2019, 07:55
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#355
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,958
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by pt49
A conservative person would sell about 50% at the previous all time high of US$20,000, but personally I am holding out for a much higher figure.
This investment is unique in that there is a definite finite supply and potentially unlimited demand in time.
Total max supply ever will be 21 million... now consider the fact that there are over 35 million millionaires already in our world and hardly any of them have even heard of this asset class.
If you can wrap your head around the fact that at this stage its only the geeks and now the early adopters buying Bitcoin, then you should see the huge potential here.
Institutional investment groups are beginning to get set up to move a small portion of their portfolio into Crypto, and when that happens the limited supply problem will really kick in.
My price prediction is $50k by dec 2019 and $250k within 2.5 years...
DO NOT BUY ON MARGIN OR WITH BORROWED MONEY.
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Crypto-currency isn't investing, it's speculation.
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09-07-2019, 08:46
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#356
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Buzzards Bay, Mass.
Boat: Corsair F-31-UC
Posts: 113
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by TheRailRoader
Financial advisers, like it or not are employed to make themselves and the company they work for money.
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If you want a house wall fixed you hire a carpenter. If you want you finances fixed, you hire a financial advisor. Everyone deserves to get paid for their work.
Some people have the desire and skills to learn to do these things themselves, others do not.
Just make sure you understand how your advisor makes their money and that you are okay with it. NOTHING IS FREE!
Ken
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09-07-2019, 08:59
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#357
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Buzzards Bay, Mass.
Boat: Corsair F-31-UC
Posts: 113
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3
Total max supply ever will be 21 million... now consider the fact that there are over 35 million millionaires already in our world and hardly any of them have even heard of this asset class..
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That is because it is not an asset.
Most millionaires didn't get that way by being stupid. They know exactly what Bitcoin is and know it has ZERO intrinsic value. You can't build anything with it, you can't eat it, you can't hang it on a wall and admire it, and you can't sell it unless you find someone willing to buy it. The moment people stop buying Bitcoins, their value goes to zero.
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09-07-2019, 09:24
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#358
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Jacksonville/ out cruising
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 31,351
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Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by Trimaran Ken
That is because it is not an asset.
Most millionaires didn't get that way by being stupid. They know exactly what Bitcoin is and know it has ZERO intrinsic value. You can't build anything with it, you can't eat it, you can't hang it on a wall and admire it, and you can't sell it unless you find someone willing to buy it. The moment people stop buying Bitcoins, their value goes to zero.
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Sounds a whole lot like the .com bubble doesn’t it.
I knew the .com bubble was going to burst when I found out that realestate.com was worth more than Delta Airlines, yet had no assets.
I don’t even believe they even owned a building ,servers or anything else, they rented what there was.
My Father decades ago told me a story about a poor man who sold a fish, and this fish kept being bought and sold and of course the last guy got stuck, he ate it and it made him sick.
The original seller understood the true value of the fish, the rest of the buyers didn’t.
Many, many people lose their arse with these “bubbles” but a few become Rich, where do you think all that money you lost, went to?
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09-07-2019, 09:49
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#359
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Buzzards Bay, Mass.
Boat: Corsair F-31-UC
Posts: 113
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
I knew the .com bubble was going to burst when I found out that realestate.com was worth more than Delta Airlines, yet had no assets. I don’t even believe they even owned a building ,servers or anything else, they rented what there was.
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At least RealEstate.com had some small chance of turning into a profitable business, as opposed to Bitcoin which can never make money or produce anything.
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09-07-2019, 11:01
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#360
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,075
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Re: Budget Be Damned
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Originally Posted by Trimaran Ken
That is because it is not an asset.
Most millionaires didn't get that way by being stupid. They know exactly what Bitcoin is and know it has ZERO intrinsic value. You can't build anything with it, you can't eat it, you can't hang it on a wall and admire it, and you can't sell it unless you find someone willing to buy it. The moment people stop buying Bitcoins, their value goes to zero.
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Ah, but can you eat, hang, or admire on a wall: Facebook, Google, Netflix? No. Nor can you sell their shares unless someone is willing to buy, and some would say Facebook will be the first of the FAANGs to evaporate one day.
Yes, Bitcoin is all about speculation, as are many of those "more legitimate" vehicles. It suffers from fly-by night scams in with sketchy exchanges and criminals who need anonymity. However, it also brings the possibility of a currency that is truly free of any government manipulation. That's pretty cool on its own, for so many reasons. Conventional bankers and investment firms might not be the best judge of a concept that threatens to disrupt their world.
Maybe it won't work, ultimately. Maybe many people will lose their shirts speculating on it like they did on etoys.com in the 90's. I also remember Amazon getting panned around that time too. Negative revenue for years with an idea to sell books online? No intrinsic value? Ridiculous.
Bitcoin may indeed be a bad play, but not simply because it lacks intrinsic value.
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