Steering pulley attachment to the hull

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Originally Posted by Pelagic

A liner is a secondary wall or floor which I see in your last photo ...that is the wooden floor I see with the chiselled out block exposing the bolts.

Can you feel a space underneath?
Can you touch the head of all 4 bolts?.

It definitely looks as if the bracket for the block is mounted on a raised, purpose built pad. One that's similar to, but seperated from, & different than the engine beds. Though it would be serving a purpose much like engine beds, only for the sheave's attachment to the hull instead.
So that if the above is correct, a key question is how is it constructed. IE; is it solid glass, or cored with something?

As to repairs, or rather repair options, I can think of a few dozen different ways to do it. It depends pn what's available. Though obviously it's a job that's more than worth doing right on the first try. And along with fixing this bit, it's worth inspecting each & every component in her steering gear. Especially to include the backup steering systems. AKA emergency tiller, & backup rudder.
Plus, what kind of shape is it's twin on the other side of the boat in?

[Pelagic]

You don't say what it is blocked with ??
I am guessing that the floor (probably 3/4") has another doubler block underneath which has carriage bolts sunk into it to keep from turning.

You said one or two bolts are turning. if true, then use 2 nuts counter locked on each other to see if you can unscrew the bolt as a test.

This is a carriage bolt if not familiar with term

[masterov]

Hi Pelagic,

I can't see what it is blocked with. I stuck my phone there and took a picture:

It looks like it is filled with polyester, but perhaps you are right: there may be another wood block.

Here is my understanding of what happened:


On the left is the original assembly, and on the right what's there now.

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I've been having flashbacks while/since reading this thread, & just now figured out why. The boat is of the same manufacture as one that underwent major surgery courtesy of Hooked, minaret & his crew. And in the course of the repairs that they did to the boat, some areas of really bad construction were discovered. Including finding thick slabs of gelcoat, & other resin where there should have been solid layup, & even in between thick layers of properly laid up glass. So the thread might be worth reading through in order to get a better sense of what to watch out for while you're grinding, so that you can make sure that what you're bonding things to during these repairs is good laminate. Not that your boat is necessarily put together the same as Hooked's is/was, but as a cautionary note.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ir-164093.html

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Originally Posted by masterov

Hi Pelagic,

Thank you for your response.

The problem is with the wooden block. It gave in, and two forward bolts are loose. The plate lifted on the front. So, we are trying to reinforce the wood with fiberglass, before we put the plate back.

If you clean that mess up someone may have a solution. My take is grind the wooden block off and bed a new one down to a clean surface.

Best of luck.

[anacapaisland42]

Whilst we're on this subject,
We've just installed an outboard on the transom of our Challenger 32 to act as backup to our fickle engine (Palmer P60).
Currently it's not steerable.
Does anyone have any suggestions/photos of how to make it steerable from the cockpit other than hanging over the back of the transom.
It's a Mercury 9.9 off a pontoon boat so has remote controls/starter
Bill


[QUOTE=masterov;2284038]Hi esteemed members,

Can anyone offer advice on the following?

Pulley attachment is coming off the hull (see photo). What is the best way to repair it?

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[QUOTE=anacapaisland42;2284912]Whilst we're on this subject,
We've just installed an outboard on the transom of our Challenger 32 to act as backup to our fickle engine (Palmer P60).
Currently it's not steerable.
Does anyone have any suggestions/photos of how to make it steerable from the cockpit other than hanging over the back of the transom.
It's a Mercury 9.9 off a pontoon boat so has remote controls/starter
Bill

Originally Posted by masterov

Hi esteemed members,

Can anyone offer advice on the following?

Pulley attachment is coming off the hull (see photo). What is the best way to repair it?

Is the OB set up to take cable steering? If so jury rig the other end of the cable to whatever type steering you have after passing it through the transom.

[Pelagic]

Masterov, have you asked the marina or local yachtsmen if they know of a good fiberglass/carpenter type to help you?

You may be surprised how well locals can do patch repairs

If not , your original plan may be the best fix for now to get you moving, with what materials are available.

Once tested at the dock, go out and do a Figure Eight in Reverse while someone closely watches the steering system for problems.

Good luck with your repair

[Suliwar]

see foto of a retrofit solution working fine since 15 years

[masterov]

@Pelagic. Yes, we have local fiberglass guy doing the work for us. What we've ended up doing is this:

1. Cleaned up old wood, but didn't remove it because it sits there pretty well.
2. Put a nut on top of each bolt
3. Covered it with a layer of fiberglass
4. Put a metal plate
5. Put another layer of fiberglass on top

Tomorrow, after it cures, we'll bolt the base of the pulley back:


Thanks everyone for your help and advice!

[seabreez]

Originally Posted by masterov

We've removed the plate and it looks like there is a piece of wood underneath it. The dillema now is whether to take it out completely and replace or keep it in place? The wood seems to hold in place pretty well.
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By the looks of things I would repair the wood with fiberglass to try and prevent water from doing more damage. Then refit the bracket for the pulleys. Then add a piece of angle crossways and bolt it to the bracket. Then directly above under the floor I would add a steel strapping with two bolts pointing downwards and glass it in. Then add (bolt in) an angle the same size as the lower one. Then join the upper and lower angle brackets with two (one on each side) and bolt the angles together. This would remove the stress on the lower pulley block and support the floor above.

[Perna]

If the wood is only locally failing by the two front bolts as it seems, and the bolts are not turning; then I would clean the wood up and protect it with varnish or resin. Get a steel/alu plate made up with the 4 bolt holes and sufficient screw holes around the perimeter. Bed it all down well, screwed on the perimeter and reassemble as before.

Basically you would be strengthening the wood locally and transferring the load elsewhere.

my 2cents only...