U.S.A. gasoline CAUTION 2022-06/09

[SailRN]

In April, the White House announced a plan to increase use of homegrown biofuels during the 2022 summer driving season to offset rising fuel prices and fuel supply challenges.
Ethanol is considered a biofuel because it is derived from corn. Most gasoline sold in the U.S. is blended with 10% ethanol, otherwise known as E10 gasoline. E15 gasoline - a fuel mixture containing 15% ethanol - is also sold in some states, but it is much less widely available. During the summer months, E15 gasoline sales are normally prohibited due to Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations surrounding its potential to increase smog during warmer temperatures.
To align with the President’s plan, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued an emergency fuel waiver on April 29, allowing the sale of E15 gasoline from June 1 to September 15, 2022.
E15 gasoline has appeal to consumers as a transportation fuel due to its slightly lower price and slightly higher octane rating than standard gasoline. However, E15 gasoline’s potential to harm smaller and older engines is not widely understood by the public.
With the arrival of the summer recreation season, and the increased use of marine and outdoor gasoline-powered equipment, the increased availability and use of E15 gasoline raises some safety concerns.
The higher ethanol content can cause engines not designed for E15 to run hotter, damage seals, and cause fuel system leaks, which could increase fire hazards.
The Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI) conducted a poll in 2020, which found that nearly two in five Americans mistakenly believe that ethanol blends higher than 10% are safe to use for any gasoline-powered lawn equipment or other small engine products, such as motorcycles, boats, snowmobiles, and sport utility vehicles.
Use of ethanol blends higher than E10 in non-approved engines is prohibited by law and will void the warranty. But E15 is not always labeled clearly where it is sold, increasing the risk that consumers will fill their engines with the wrong fuel.
Fire departments should be aware of conditions where use of E15 gasoline could present a fire hazard, and where public education can help to prevent these dangers.
The following are some resources that could be used to increase understanding about the risks:

• The EPA lists the types of vehicles and engines for which E15 fuel is permitted versus prohibited.
• The Department of Energy’s (DOE’s) Energy Information Administration (EIA) explains the facts about ethanol as a transportation fuel, including information about the differences between E10, E15, and E85, the most common ethanol blends in use. Photo examples of pump labels are provided.
• The U.S. Coast Guard, Sector Detroit posted a warning on its Facebook page in response to the EPA waiver on E15 gasoline sales this summer. The post contains a graphic showing how E15 gasoline labeling at the pump can be very misleading. It is often labeled “Unleaded 15”, or by its octane rating, as “Octane 88,” without clear reference to its percentage of ethanol content.
• OPEI created a public education campaign called Protect Your Power with messaging and infographics to always use E10 gasoline or less in outdoor power and off-road equipment such as sport utility vehicles and boats.

This year’s E15 waiver is not the first. In 2017, a waiver was issued to address fuel shortages caused by Hurricane Harvey. In 2019, EPA formalized its authority to issue waivers allowing year-round sales of E15, although this ruling was reversed in 2021. This year’s emergency waiver was issued due to economic factors and supply-chain issues.
While this year’s waiver is expected to affect only around 2,300 gas stations, a fraction of the roughly 150,000 filling stations in the U.S., it is possible that availability of E15 gasoline will continue to increase in the coming years, due to the EPA’s Renewable Fuel Standard Program. This program requires EPA to mandate continued increases in the volume of renewable fuel mixed with petroleum-based transportation fuels.
Those responsible for fire safety education should stay informed about the latest national and state legislation surrounding E15 gasoline and ensure the public is aware of the fire hazards and other risks when it is used improperly.
(Sources: EPA, U.S. Coast Guard, DOE EIA, OPEI, Reuters)

[Chotu]

Fuel Injection = Problem Solved

Whatever you get, make sure it’s fuel injected and you won’t have any trouble.


That’s been my technique for some years now and it has worked flawlessly.

[SailRN]

Fuel injectors will not save you from the risk:


"The higher ethanol content can cause engines not designed for E15 to run hotter, damage seals, and cause fuel system leaks, which could increase fire hazards."

[GreenWave]

So how exactly does fuel injection make this ok? Chotu?

[Chotu]

All of the problems from ethanol happen in the carburetor. An incredibly minuscule proportion happen elsewhere. If you do have some kind of problem from ethanol in your fuel line or whatever, that’s what your fuel filter is for. It keeps any of that crud out that is not certified to go through your system.

Fuel injected everything just works all the time. There is no doubt about it. Just think of what cars used to be like when they had carburetors versus what they were like once fuel injection got put in them. Night and day. Vapor lock? Etc., gone.

Even gasoline with some water in it is no problem for fuel injection. It goes right through.

You guys can disbelieve this all you want, you can argue about it all you want. I’ll just keep on cruising around on my motorcycle, and having my outboards all work without ever needing fuel system work or maintenance. Without having to clean a carb. Without having to pull a starter cord until I’m about to pass out.

You don’t have to listen, but if you do, your life will be easy and carefree like mine now is.

I have four fuel injected small engines now. Three of them are outboards. They run flawlessly at all times on ethanol gas and everything. They start first pull. Or in the case of two of them, the instant you turn the key. Just like a Japanese car. Incidentally those are fuel injected as well.

Make no mistake. Fuel injected engines are the way to get rid of all of your troubles. They just run and run and run.

[IolantheSF]

Ethanol in gasoline will dissolve solids which accumulate in fuel tanks, thereby clogging fuel systems. Carburetors, fuel pumps, filters, fuel injectors can all be impacted by this. Ethanol also attracts water. In suspension, it can severely damage injectors and high pressure pumps. As it separates in fuel tanks, microorganisms will grow on the water/fuel interface, resulting in rapid clogging of fuel systems. Partial clogging of carburetors or injectors will result in lean running conditions, causing severe engine damage. These effects are all well proven and documented at the cost of very large expensive marine and truck engines.
In summary, the only real beneficiaries of ethanol in gasoline are the Big Ag corn growers who now have a legally mandated market. Welcome to crony capitalism.

[MikeHoncho]

Originally Posted by Chotu

All of the problems from ethanol happen in the carburetor. An incredibly minuscule proportion happen elsewhere. If you do have some kind of problem from ethanol in your fuel line or whatever, that’s what your fuel filter is for. It keeps any of that crud out that is not certified to go through your system.

Fuel injected everything just works all the time. There is no doubt about it. Just think of what cars used to be like when they had carburetors versus what they were like once fuel injection got put in them. Night and day. Vapor lock? Etc., gone.

Even gasoline with some water in it is no problem for fuel injection. It goes right through.

You guys can disbelieve this all you want, you can argue about it all you want. I’ll just keep on cruising around on my motorcycle, and having my outboards all work without ever needing fuel system work or maintenance. Without having to clean a carb. Without having to pull a starter cord until I’m about to pass out.

You don’t have to listen, but if you do, your life will be easy and carefree like mine now is.

I have four fuel injected small engines now. Three of them are outboards. They run flawlessly at all times on ethanol gas and everything. They start first pull. Or in the case of two of them, the instant you turn the key. Just like a Japanese car. Incidentally those are fuel injected as well.

Make no mistake. Fuel injected engines are the way to get rid of all of your troubles. They just run and run and run.

My multiport fuel injected boat had problems from water in the fuel a couple years ago that was fixed by a couple bottles of HEET. I agree fuel injection does wonders for ethanol issues but it doesn’t eliminate all of ethanols negative characteristics.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by MikeHoncho

My multiport fuel injected boat had problems from water in the fuel a couple years ago that was fixed by a couple bottles of HEET. I agree fuel injection does wonders for ethanol issues but it doesn’t eliminate all of ethanols negative characteristics.

Water in fuel is more of an issue with non-ethanol gas. Non-ethanol gas doesn't absorb water, so it puddles in the bottom of the tank (like with diesel) until there's enough to slosh into the pickup and start loading up fuel filters and causing problems.



Ethanol-containing gas will absorb some amount of water harmlessly (HEET and other drygas products are typically just alcohol of varying types). But if you have too much water, then the stuff separates and you've got a disaster to deal with.



Personally, in my gas boat, I throw some drygas in with every non-ethanol fillup to make sure the tanks stay dry and avoid issues if switching fuel types. After replacing old non alcohol safe fuel lines and carb gaskets, that boat ran on E10 for 15 years while it was in an area without non-ethanol fuel available. And after the lines, etc. were taken care of, there were no related issues.

[MikeHoncho]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

Water in fuel is more of an issue with non-ethanol gas. Non-ethanol gas doesn't absorb water, so it puddles in the bottom of the tank (like with diesel) until there's enough to slosh into the pickup and start loading up fuel filters and causing problems.



Ethanol-containing gas will absorb some amount of water harmlessly (HEET and other drygas products are typically just alcohol of varying types). But if you have too much water, then the stuff separates and you've got a disaster to deal with.



Personally, in my gas boat, I throw some drygas in with every non-ethanol fillup to make sure the tanks stay dry and avoid issues if switching fuel types. After replacing old non alcohol safe fuel lines and carb gaskets, that boat ran on E10 for 15 years while it was in an area without non-ethanol fuel available. And after the lines, etc. were taken care of, there were no related issues.

The key word is “some” so with lower % ethanol containing hydrocarbons , the ergs lol downs allow the water to 100% dissolve into the fuel and it makes more of a layered “ kind of mixed layer in the tank higher ( change of specific gravity) than it being water alone allow the solution to be drawn into the system. HEET enables the “solution to better dissolve into a solution.

[MikeHoncho]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

Water in fuel is more of an issue with non-ethanol gas. Non-ethanol gas doesn't absorb water, so it puddles in the bottom of the tank (like with diesel) until there's enough to slosh into the pickup and start loading up fuel filters and causing problems.



Ethanol-containing gas will absorb some amount of water harmlessly (HEET and other drygas products are typically just alcohol of varying types). But if you have too much water, then the stuff separates and you've got a disaster to deal with.



Personally, in my gas boat, I throw some drygas in with every non-ethanol fillup to make sure the tanks stay dry and avoid issues if switching fuel types. After replacing old non alcohol safe fuel lines and carb gaskets, that boat ran on E10 for 15 years while it was in an area without non-ethanol fuel available. And after the lines, etc. were taken care of, there were no related issues.

The key word is “some” so with lower % ethanol containing hydrocarbons , the ethanol does not allow the water to 100% dissolve into the fuel and it makes more of a layered “ kind of mixed layer in the tank higher ( change of specific gravity) than it being water alone allow the solution to be drawn into the system. HEET enables the “solution to better dissolve into a solution.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Chotu

All of the problems from ethanol happen in the carburetor. An incredibly minuscule proportion happen elsewhere. If you do have some kind of problem from ethanol in your fuel line or whatever, that’s what your fuel filter is for. It keeps any of that crud out that is not certified to go through your system.

Fuel injected everything just works all the time. There is no doubt about it. Just think of what cars used to be like when they had carburetors versus what they were like once fuel injection got put in them. Night and day. Vapor lock? Etc., gone.

Even gasoline with some water in it is no problem for fuel injection. It goes right through.

You guys can disbelieve this all you want, you can argue about it all you want. I’ll just keep on cruising around on my motorcycle, and having my outboards all work without ever needing fuel system work or maintenance. Without having to clean a carb. Without having to pull a starter cord until I’m about to pass out.

You don’t have to listen, but if you do, your life will be easy and carefree like mine now is.

I have four fuel injected small engines now. Three of them are outboards. They run flawlessly at all times on ethanol gas and everything. They start first pull. Or in the case of two of them, the instant you turn the key. Just like a Japanese car. Incidentally those are fuel injected as well.

Make no mistake. Fuel injected engines are the way to get rid of all of your troubles. They just run and run and run.

I dunno. My fuel injected Suzuki had a wrecked fuel pump due to rusted metal parts inside. I can't exclude that the prior owner got saltwater into the tank - but it seems to me that oxidation to things other than the carb is an issue.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by lestersails

I dunno. My fuel injected Suzuki had a wrecked fuel pump due to rusted metal parts inside. I can't exclude that the prior owner got saltwater into the tank - but it seems to me that oxidation to things other than the carb is an issue.

Unless it was a salt water exposure I'd chalk that one up to inadequate material selection from the manufacturer. In my mind, if fuel system parts are corroding away with exposure to any commonly available fuel, it's the manufacturer at fault, not the fuel.

[Dooglas]

Assuming we are talking about gasoline for marine use, every fuel dock I have been to in the last few years sells only ethanol-free gasoline. Problem solved, unless you buy fuel for your outboard in jerry cans at a gas station or something like that.

[nortonscove]

Originally Posted by Dooglas

Assuming we are talking about gasoline for marine use, every fuel dock I have been to in the last few years sells only ethanol-free gasoline. Problem solved, unless you buy fuel for your outboard in jerry cans at a gas station or something like that.

No fuel dock where I live. Only ever used one for my diesel. I have never had an issue. I keep reading about all these issues but have no idea how people have them.

[Jammer]

I used to grow corn. I think ethanol as a fuel is great. I used to buy E85 for a car and a truck I had that were set up for it.


I drive an EV now and don't buy much gasoline. I have a battery chainsaw and a battery lawnmower etc.


I have two gasoline outboard motors and I buy non-ethanol gasoline for them, which is available here. Not everywhere, I get that. Mainly it has a longer shelf life and is less sensitive to handling. E10/E15 run fine in outboards, I've done it, the shelf life is shorter on the fuel because it's hygroscopic, and you have to keep it tightly covered without a vent. I use safety cans for storing gasoline, and they don't have vents. I use gasoline within six months of buying especially in summer since heat and humidity contribute to deterioration. Ethanol or not.