Outremer 45(48 ft)

[Mr. Kevin]

Originally Posted by cat123

These guys bought brand new O55.....not a word of above mentioned problem.

I think they are somewhere in the mid of their journey around the globe. Not sure.

Maybe you can asked them directly.

The are set to finish by 2024, I believe... They would have a couple years at least sailing Greatcircle.

[Mr. Kevin]

That said, this boat is featured on Outremers website so it is unlikely that they will have anything to say about substandard production... /shrug/

[cat123]

Originally Posted by sw34

Actually there was an episode they filmed when they were in Australia a couple of months ago where Outremer was there replacing what I assume was the mast compression post.

If this truly was an issue, and what I am assuming is true, it appears Outremer is doing the right thing and proactively fixing the other boats.

I quickly went through their videos, I cannot find it.

Are you referring to this episode maybe? They hit a reef with a rudder and replaced it afterwards with a new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXCzAnu3GjI&t=701s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS01w7opX8I

[alsail]

UPDATE1. Today I was lucky to spend a whole.day on an O45. Conditions 20-30TWS. Boat behave impressively, quick but also nimble. 0.5-1m short steep.chop. Mostly between 9-10 with one reef at 45 Awa. Downwind 10-11 kts. This one had a self tacking solent, no.other sails were used. Motion was surprisingly kind, those fine bows slicing through the waves . Motoring somehow disappointing, I think the Volvos are too.small .

[alsail]

UPDATE2. A very smart and knowledgeable boat builder has been recommended to me for a chat. This gentleman knows everything about Outremers down to unbelievable small details. All.completed.with pictures.
His opinion is that is a very solid and good boat, not very fast, but fast enough , a good compromise safety/speed.
Known issues are some cracking on.a shelf next to.steering ram, where Outremer should have used fiberglass and they didn't.
Compression of mast has indeed happened in 3-4 Outremers45 . He explained that the main issue is owners that load their boats and do.not reef according to Outremer book , especially in flat water where they feel.safe and do.not respect reefing schedules. They think reefing is only about safety. The tip.os to look at the bulkheads at the entrance in forward cabins. There should be an even gap.between door and frame.
He emphasized that mast compression is specific to a lot of catamarans for the above reasons.
I remember seeing some cracks each side of.mast when I checked Catana 431 and a few other brands.

[AlfaGTV]

In this video from Great circle the issue with mast support is mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xda4WDF9FOI

[Mr. Kevin]

Sail Area vs Displacement Ratio - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail_A...lacement_ratio

https://no-frills-sailing.com/sail-a...ippers-basics/

[SVFaith]

I know you are looking for a brokerage boat, but thought I's add my 2 cents... am looking at the Balance 442/482. Plenty of storage without unneeded bling, great performars as well. [526 just won cape2rio over other perfomance cats] Interesting helm station. Going for a ride on the 482 this coming weekend at the Annapolis boatshow.

[Heath68]

I think that kind of answers your question... very few owners out there and none on here saying what to look out for. So I suppose if that's your dream machine I'd go for it.

FWIW I was the same as a few people above and discounted it for cabin space and helm protection issues.. Balance and Seawind seem to have got a good hold of the speed vs comfort issue, the rest are 50 footers.

[Shenan]

[QUOTE=CaptainRivet;3828781]Check the mast foot, bulkhead and deck around it. 10m away from me in Arrecife Marina is an outremer 45 where mast broke through deck. It's a confirmed production issue and ongoing court case, a buddy of mine is the appointed court surveyor and he knows 2 more with this issue...this one new from factory only made it from France to Gran Canaria and was then escorted to be lifted out here for court survey.
Was also in my top 3...not anymore


I know Internet is loaded with trolls and fake news, and I don't usually bother correcting, but this one is too big to pass.

100% wrong :
- never been any case of mast braking through bulkhead on any 45's
- no known case
- no court case underway

So please submit evidence, or correct these nonsense !

Matthieu Rougevin-Baville, Sales Manager at Outremer

[Shenan]

Originally Posted by AlfaGTV

In this video from Great circle the issue with mast support is mentioned:

Not a 45', but 55' !
We decided to add extra mast reinforcement on all 55's for extra safety margin, after a weakness was detected in a single mast post from a supplier.
No court case, no known weakness, but happy owners who already sailed 25K nm around the world...

[Shenan]

Originally Posted by Tupaia

Ah.. that puts into context. Couldn't work out why payload was so important an issue.

Using SA/Dipl - Not always the best measure as it doesn't take into account aero or hydro dynamics but it is useful for comparison purposes.

The Balance has a better SA/Disp ratio than the Outremmer and sits about half way between the TRT and OT45

Balance (1690) 15625 (34375) 25.57 - Inshore Cruiser and Racing
Out 45 106 (1140) 11100 (24420) 21.67 - Medium Cruiser
TRT 86 (925) 5000 (11000) 29.92 - Extreme Racing

It is surprising how low the Outremmer 45 scores. It would appear that the new breed of OT's have taken a performance hit over their older cousins.

Be careful with declared weights & sail area. Prefer real world speed tests !

[Shenan]

Originally Posted by Kinkircating

The only way you are going to find it for the particular boat you are considering is when it's in the crane during the haul out inspection and you can measure it. Maybe that's something Outremer provided the original owner though...worth asking.

Cranes are useless for precise weighing of boats. Depends how they calibrate it, sometimes very conservative for careless operating servants operting at very open angles...
You might see as much as 30% differences from reality !

[houseofcharm]

I'm sure someone pointed you to the Sailing La Vagabond from a few years back and their then new Outremer 45 on utoob. Likely more than you want to know there...

[alsail]

Originally Posted by Shenan

Cranes are useless for precise weighing of boats. Depends how they calibrate it, sometimes very conservative for careless operating servants operting at very open angles...
You might see as much as 30% differences from reality !

Thanks for your clarification. Can I please ask you what is included in "light displacement" on a 45?
Thanks