New Lagoon 42 Vs Lucia-40 ?

[rallyman1122]

Originally Posted by Barra

Well ill second that "subjective opinion". Of the production french cats its generally in order of sailing performance
1. outremer
2. catana
3. Nautis
4. FP
5. Lagoon


its not really subjective though as its down to the maths of the designs ie SA/D, length/beam, drag coefficients etc etc

Andrew if nothing you have ever witnessed supports this then please show your facts....

Just curious, where would you place Leopards in that ranking? They seem to be one of the big 3 and wondering on where they might rank in your opinion

[Barra]

Originally Posted by rallyman1122

Just curious, where would you place Leopards in that ranking? They seem to be one of the big 3 and wondering on where they might rank in your opinion

Well they arent french so they werent on the list but since you ask I would be putting them level with or behind the lagoons sailing wise generally but of course it depends on specific models to a degree. Both brands are heavy (though for slightly different reasons).

The big 3 are the big 3 due to charter numbers built and sailing ability is not top of that shopping list (but if they didnt focus on charter customer they would build less hulls and they would cost more ie outremer/catana etc).

Swings and roundabouts.

[yeloya]

Originally Posted by rallyman1122

Just curious, where would you place Leopards in that ranking? They seem to be one of the big 3 and wondering on where they might rank in your opinion

I've only sailed one Leopard 44. She was more lively that I would have expected. I would put it between Lagoon's and FP', closer to FP's side.
But again, not every Lagoon or FP's are the same..

Cheers

Yeloya

[Factor]

Originally Posted by yeloya

100 % agree with this ranking of performance and comments..
I've sailed all of these boats with the exception of Nautitech but we had few of them on our yard. They are lighter, hulls are slimmer for a given length. I talked with the owners and I happen to sail close by when I was on other boats; they are fast.. period.
If anybody has a "fact" to prove otherwise , pls share with us.

I should also add that noy every Lagoon and FP's are the same. Generally, older models are faster.

Cheers

Yeloya

I have sailed them all INCLUDING the nautitech. And both the newer open 40 and the older designs with the silly anchor locker in the bow placement.

[Red Herring]

My take on the two in the original OP question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1_XoYqrqpA&t=273s

[Heath68]

Has anyone not tried the mathematical approach that I think would place leopard at least as quick as fp's

[smj]

Originally Posted by Heath68

Has anyone not tried the mathematical approach that I think would place leopard at least as quick as fp's

I compared the FL Lavezzi and the Leopard 40 on Multihull Dynamics. The Lavezzi came out slightly faster even though it was quite a bit lighter and had other performance advantages. The Leopard 40 had about 20% more sail area. If the Lavezzi were to increase sail area, i would guess there would be no comparison.

[Water Dragon 42]

Here is a video I took today on the Lagoon 42, testing out the new code zero. 9.5 knots boat speed in 12.5 knots of wind.

https://youtu.be/SDd6cFKM5WE

[smj]

Originally Posted by Water Dragon 42

Here is a video I took today on the Lagoon 42, testing out the new code zero. 9.5 knots boat speed in 12.5 knots of wind.

https://youtu.be/SDd6cFKM5WE

Were you fighting a pretty good current?

[Water Dragon 42]

It was about 2-2.5 knots against us there in the video. There can be lots of current around here. Skookumchuck Narrows with one of the fastest tidal currents in the world (16knots) is within 100nm.

[smj]

Great boat speed, and to me it appeared to be less than 12 kts. Of wind.

[yeloya]

At 12,5 true from 110 degrees 9,5 boat speed is something I cannot do with my Catana 47 even not with an Outremer 51, congratulations. Did you check the SOG as well ?
Do you have folding or feathering props ? Looking at video and the turbulence aft the boat, it appeared to me like you didn't. If so, it will be a good investment and you can easily add another knot of speed.


Cheers


Yeloya

[jbinbi]

Put this info up on another post, but as of the 2017 Miami show, there were about 270 42 sold, 12-15 month lead time for one right now. Fastest selling cat since Hobie;-)

[Water Dragon 42]

Originally Posted by yeloya

At 12,5 true from 110 degrees 9,5 boat speed is something I cannot do with my Catana 47 even not with an Outremer 51, congratulations. Did you check the SOG as well ?
Do you have folding or feathering props ? Looking at video and the turbulence aft the boat, it appeared to me like you didn't. If so, it will be a good investment and you can easily add another knot of speed.
Cheers
Yeloya

The boat has folding props that were folded I'm pretty sure, I heard the clunk. Coming out of the river motoring we had 9.5 knots boat speed and 11.5 SOG. I didn't really look the whole time when sailing but there is a frame in the video when SOG is about 2 knots less than boat speed. If boat speed is off, it is probably not off by much. The Code zero is just a huge sail and the boat was loaded light as I think fuel and water were at about half and we had 5 people but no gear on board. Regardless it was a fun day. The outside temperature was about 2 degrees Celsius and it snowed today (unusually cold here this winter) so I was happy to have this nice sunny day on the water.

[Brav]

Originally Posted by Water Dragon 42

The boat has folding props that were folded I'm pretty sure, I heard the clunk. Coming out of the river motoring we had 9.5 knots boat speed and 11.5 SOG. I didn't really look the whole time when sailing but there is a frame in the video when SOG is about 2 knots less than boat speed. If boat speed is off, it is probably not off by much. The Code zero is just a huge sail and the boat was loaded light as I think fuel and water were at about half and we had 5 people but no gear on board. Regardless it was a fun day. The outside temperature was about 2 degrees Celsius and it snowed today (unusually cold here this winter) so I was happy to have this nice sunny day on the water.

Thanks for your info. New to the sailing world and the L42 is on our short list in the next few years.

Here is a curious thought from a complete sailing greenhorn, but from someone with some flying experience... wouldn't air temp theoretically affect sail performance? Cold air is more dense and therefore has a greater force on an object than less dense hot air has. This is critical for flying and calculating load capacity (altitude and thin air make it harder for a wing to work, thereby greatly reducing takeoff weight).

Has this effect ever been discussed with respect to sailing? Sorry for being off topic a bit but maybe relevant to the high speeds at near freezing. I would imagine the same wind speed in 100F tropics would have less acting force on the same sail.