Difficulty of repairing side deck delamination and bulkhead decay

[tharch]

Hello


I am looking at a gemini and am very interested in proceeding. However, the surveyor told me that there is possible delamination in the side deck - sounded dull but wasn't able to get moisture level due to weather. He thinks it is 18"x10ft of side deck. Also, there is some decay in the bulkhead - attached the image. Interior liners pretty much need complete replacement. Hull otherwise is without major issues per the surveyor.



Are the two issues - side-deck delamination and the bulkhead decay, big enough issues to walk away for a novice? I am fairly handy and have some basic experience with laminating plywood, fiberglass, wood work etc. Are these issues a "run" or negotiate the cost of repairs. I am open to getting them done by a yard if the work is a long slog but of course that will cost more.


Thanks

[boatpoker]

Do you wish to sail or spend months and thousands learning how deep the damage is (it's always more than you can see) ?

[smj]

I believe the side decks of the Gemini are solid laminate not cored. I guess there could still be delamination if badly laid up, but not probable?

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by smj

I believe the side decks of the Gemini are solid laminate not cored. I guess there could still be delamination if badly laid up, but not probable?

I believe only the MC had no core (balsa) in the side decks altho' it does on the foredeck, cockpit deck and cabin top.
The other models had balsa in cabin top, foredeck, cockpit and side decks.

[smj]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

I believe only the MC had no core (balsa) in the side decks altho' it does on the foredeck, cockpit deck and cabin top.
The other models had balsa in cabin top, foredeck, cockpit and side decks.

I wonder which model he’s looking at? That looks like MC chainplates with an added SS plate behind to hide/strengthen the bulkhead because of rot?

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by smj

I wonder which model he’s looking at? That looks like MC chainplates with an added SS plate behind to hide/strengthen the bulkhead because of rot?

I agree, I don't remember those plates as OE. They are likely hiding another issue.

[tharch]

It is a 97 105m
The big stainless steel plate under the chainplates is an addition per owner, done by a yard years ago.

[SailingHarmonie]

About that rot in the bulkhead… be scared. Very scared. I know it’s not your boat yet, and you can’t do even minimally destructive tests, but I bet if you stabbed that bulkhead with an ice pick it would slide in as if it was rice pudding.

This is not a boat worth the $ and sweat likely needed to fix this. As others have said, it will be worse than it looks.

[tharch]

Originally Posted by SailingHarmonie

About that rot in the bulkhead… be scared. Very scared. I know it’s not your boat yet, and you can’t do even minimally destructive tests, but I bet if you stabbed that bulkhead with an ice pick it would slide in as if it was rice pudding.

This is not a boat worth the $ and sweat likely needed to fix this. As others have said, it will be worse than it looks.

Oh dear. Surveyor says it is not an expensive repair and that the rotted area can be removed and new wood placed along with something called sister plate for extra support if i understood it correctly

[smj]

Originally Posted by tharch

Oh dear. Surveyor says it is not an expensive repair and that the rotted area can be removed and new wood placed along with something called sister plate for extra support if i understood it correctly

As long as the rot isn’t extensive I’d agree with your surveyor.

[s/v Jedi]

It sounds like easy repairs, well within your ability to diy. But you need to reserve some budget for this and the seller should deduct from the price

[tharch]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

It sounds like easy repairs, well within your ability to diy. But you need to reserve some budget for this and the seller should deduct from the price

Thanks Jedi.


Asking price just over 50k. I know, no one can really tell the price and I am not trying to offend the seller with low ball offer.


However, needing bulk head repair and complete refit of headliner should be a cause for renegotiation of price. Anyone has any suggestions on how much is appropriate if I do want to negotiate for the bulkhead repair and for headliner replacement through the boat?



Thanks