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Old 13-05-2020, 11:37   #46
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Re: Asymmetrical Spinnaker Vs Gennaker

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David, the Seawind 1160 and 1190 use the screacher, sheeted inboard the shrouds, as a genoa. If this sail is built strong, no problem close on the wind in 10 kt true winds.
True dat. I sail on a friends 1190, screecher is used lots even up to 15 true, but he comes from a racing background. Also uses asym w sock, but this is not a set and forget. So not sure how good for an ocean crossing this is if you don't want to tend the sheets. But I only have experience day sailing it.
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The original poster is on a Lagoon 440, it can handle as a big a sail as will fit the luff dimension. The more power the better. He has queried the need for a pole/ prodder, as he already has an assy kite. The standard short Lagoon prodder on a boat this size is really only useful for one or two reasons:
1. Convenience. It is much easier to furl the sail away and can be done single handed if you have an autopilot, especially if sailing in variable or veering or gusting winds or through approaching short lived squalls and you want to hold course but not risk having the sail ripped apart.

and/or

2. Light wind power with a flat code 0 at tighter upwind angles. This is a different sail and not really that useful past 100 AWA.


The disadvantage of the sails kept on the prodder are that they are subject to UV degradation unless fitted with a heavier counter-productive suncover and secondly in severe gusty conditions the sail (unless very tightly and perfectly furled) can develop a wind pocket that will soon blow out to a bigger problem. The prodder based sail also will cause a blind spot and sheets / foot of the sail may catch on the lifelines and chafe/tear on tight angles, unless it has a high cut foot which reduces sail area/power. Also the stay wires on the prodder interfere with anchor bridles especially in wind against tide conditions. One minor point is that quite often marinas and mooring fields specify LOA as the measure to pay by or max size of boat allowed, a prodder adds to that length, the Lagoon prodder does fold away, but is a another hassle.
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Re: Asymmetrical Spinnaker Vs Gennaker

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I currently have an Asymmetrical spinnaker in a sock, which although being a bit cumbersome to get out of the bow cabin, its relatively easy to fly.


I was thinking about getting a prodder and a Gennaker on a top down furler to replace it, but its overall quite costly and the sailmaker is advising me that the Asymmetrical spinnaker is a much better option to go with.



The boat is a Lagoon 440


Any views and experiences of the two sails on a Catamaran would be appreciated
Do you need help reaching or running?

If you want to reach better a code type sail on a furler is a good bet.

If you need help running an assy or sym projected to weather is the right sail.

They are not the same sail and have different functions.
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Re: Asymmetrical Spinnaker Vs Gennaker

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David, the Seawind 1160 and 1190 use the screacher, sheeted inboard the shrouds, as a genoa. If this sail is built strong, no problem close on the wind in 10 kt true winds.
Dave, how heavy a screecher or Code 0 type sail could you go with on the 1260? The boat goes great to windward with the self tacking jib in anything other than the lightest wind but what about with the wind on or aft of the beam? It would be great to have a big screecher that could hold 15-18kts AWS comfortably and be left on the furler in all but heavy weather.
If you have a screecher that needs to be dropped at 10-12 presumably the jib will be underpowered until there is more breeze?
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