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Old 22-01-2018, 21:01   #16
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Here's a vote for the older Leopards, and I mean older! The original line, in the order in which they were introduced, L45, L38, L42, L47, L43 are really solid boats that sail well.
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The big 3 would be ???
Lagoon leopard and fontain pajot. The fp's you need to be careful on as the vintage that matches your price range have bad osmosis issues.
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Old 22-01-2018, 21:41   #18
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(people fret about the Leopard forward helm safety aspect, but Happy Together on youtube is proving it's not an issue.
Hmmm tell that to the family of the 44 delivery crew that was lost in Indian ocean a few years back.

Pretty sure they were more than just fretting....
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Old 22-01-2018, 21:59   #19
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Lagoon leopard and fontain pajot. The fp's you need to be careful on as the vintage that matches your price range have bad osmosis issues.
I have looked at the fps, and the Lagoons, but not the Leopards so much.

I have noticed a lot of makers have highly-raked forward windows, which seem to be pointless as they must let a lot of heat from the sun in, and are at such an angle as to make looking forward difficult. Do you guys note any significant difference in seaworthiness between the 3, AND, how much does seaworthiness vary from model to model within in line. How can you tell a model that is intended more for the charter biz, and those that are solid blue-water passage-makers?

I've narrowed my thinking down, at least for now, to the Lagoon 40 to 45. Any model that stands out in that line/range as better, safer, more-seaworthy vessel?
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Old 22-01-2018, 22:15   #20
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My wife and I did 4 seasons in S. Pacific on our Lagoon 450. It was a great and safe cat. Also, the size was just right. Any bigger and it would be a handful. Make sure not to overload it.

A great way to form your opinion is to visit the factories. See how they are built.
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Old 23-01-2018, 01:17   #21
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Hmmm tell that to the family of the 44 delivery crew that was lost in Indian ocean a few years back.

Pretty sure they were more than just fretting....
I know this board can get snarky and I in no way mean this as a snarky question, but according to the statement from the family, they set sail into Cyclone Bansi and encountered winds in excess of 112mph. Is it your assessment as a sailor that the Leopard forward cockpit was the problem and that other cats would have been ok in these conditions? Can you imagine the windage on a flybridge Lagoon in those winds? Are all Gunboats not seaworthy because a cocky owner deliberately took his out in a storm?

While most Leopards are now shipped for financial reasons, they used to do crossings all the time just to get to their owners. Your opinion of their abilities doesn’t seem fair based on the facts.
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Have a look at the Broadblue range of cats.
These are long distance sail boats rather than designed for the charter market.
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Old 23-01-2018, 04:36   #23
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Hmmm tell that to the family of the 44 delivery crew that was lost in Indian ocean a few years back.

Pretty sure they were more than just fretting....
Having looked at the reports of that incident (and it's the only one lost) there's nothing offering any proof that the forward cockpit or door contributed.

That said, what has your experience been offshore with the new Leopards? It's the Admiral's favorite, and while I prefer the Helia (or new 42), keeping her happy goes a long way to sailing more! ;-)

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If you’re questioning electric propulsion you’ve got a ways to go!

Here’s my two cents. Buy as much waterline as you can afford. The older leapords and voyages are good boats. I wouldn’t worry so much about brighedeck clearance et al, I’d focus on experience which from the tone of your posts sounds limited.

Your budget is reasonable for the vintage you’re considering.

Jumping straight into long Pacific crossings concerning.

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If you’re questioning electric propulsion you’ve got a ways to go!

Here’s my two cents. Buy as much waterline as you can afford. The older leapords and voyages are good boats. I wouldn’t worry so much about brighedeck clearance et al, I’d focus on experience which from the tone of your posts sounds limited.

Your budget is reasonable for the vintage you’re considering.

Jumping straight into long Pacific crossings concerning.

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I've crossed the Atlantic and the Pacific from and to Hawaii to SFO, both trips in powered vessels. However, my sailing experience is limited to small mono-hulls 30' and below.

Re: electric propulsion, I have learned that Lagoon installed it on some boats, and then did a complimentary warranty re-power with Yanmar's, which seems to be considered a "windfall" by the recipients thereof. I will avoid it wholly. If you have further details/info/corrections and/or opinions, I am all ears.
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I have a 2000 Bahia 46'. I love it. First yacht I owned and no regrets. We have a watermaker, front load washing machine, 10 scuba tanks, compressor but no aircon or generator. It currently has 925w solar and two windgens which have a max output of 1100w. Will be replacing the lead acid with lithium iron batteries this season and replacing the bimini with a hard top and an additional 1400w of solar. We also have 4 freezers and two large fridges for the longer trips.

The older lagoons are much better than the new ones for speed and safety. The new ones have just become floating tower blocks and are so slow. We cruised with a lagoon 56 for a week and we could sail circles around it on any point of sail, especially into wind.
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If you’re questioning electric propulsion you’ve got a ways to go!

Here’s my two cents. Buy as much waterline as you can afford. The older leapords and voyages are good boats. I wouldn’t worry so much about brighedeck clearance et al, I’d focus on experience which from the tone of your posts sounds limited.

Your budget is reasonable for the vintage you’re considering.

Jumping straight into long Pacific crossings concerning.

All the best!
I'd really like to keep this limited to boat-selection, including features to embrace or avoid, makes, models etc.

I appreciate your advise on those subjects.
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Have a look at the Broadblue range of cats.
These are long distance sail boats rather than designed for the charter market.
I looked at their website and noted their RCD Cat A rating. However, I also not a lack of trampoline. Do you see that as a safety issue in a 38' boat? What's you opinion on that?
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I looked at their website and noted their RCD Cat A rating. However, I also not a lack of trampoline. Do you see that as a safety issue in a 38' boat? What's you opinion on that?
Maybe I'm missing something:
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We love our Manta 40. Recommend looking at Manta 42s and 40s. They were built for couples cruising and are sailing around the world regularly. And a great owners forum/group!
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