Low friction Rings in lieu of turning blocks?

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by CaptainRivet

Can you make a photo or 2 please of your setup and post. Sounds awesome.

We'll see, most of the running rigging comes down for the winter to wash/clean, and then goes back on for the season.
The tackles for the runners are 1/2" braid and are not on the boat right now.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by hpeer

. . . I do question the ability of a single sailor to lift an unconscious MOB using runners. I suspect the standing rigging may also make matters more difficult.

I question the ability of a single sailor to get an unconscious MOB on board using any method whatsoever. How do you get the lifting tackle on the casualty?


We did a lot of practice with this and the only feasible solution we found was for someone to get into the water with the casualty to get the lines/sling on.

[Bowdrie]

Jeepers, I should have known not to post anything about using any kind of tackle rigged from anywhere to try to get anyone aboard.
If you're alone on the boat and an unconscious person is in the water you're going to have a tough task indeed no matter the equipment aboard.
The problem with many threads/posts is that it's all too easy for any type of discussion about almost anything to be expanded to the point of impossibility.
Points keep getting pushed until failure is assured.

[Jim Cate]

Dutchman Boom Break is always set up to a cabin top winch so it can be easily tightened.

Gave me a chuckle... with all the comments about mid boom vangs and preventers causing boom failures, don't you think that spelling it "Boom BRAKE" would be better?

Jim

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Gave me a chuckle... with all the comments about mid boom vangs and preventers causing boom failures, don't you think that spelling it "Boom BRAKE" would be better?

Jim

Having actually broken a boom with a hydraulic vang -- in the middle of the Atlantic -- not fun -- I can relate to this.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Bowdrie

Jeepers, I should have known not to post anything about using any kind of tackle rigged from anywhere to try to get anyone aboard.
If you're alone on the boat and an unconscious person is in the water you're going to have a tough task indeed no matter the equipment aboard.
The problem with many threads/posts is that it's all too easy for any type of discussion about almost anything to be expanded to the point of impossibility.
Points keep getting pushed until failure is assured.

I don't quite understand what you're getting at here.


Using tackle to get a MOB casualty back on board is probably the best method. At least, it worked best for us out of different variants.


An unconscious casualty is a giant problem, and surely worth thinking about, and discussing? Or what are you saying?

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I don't quite understand what you're getting at here.
Using tackle to get a MOB casualty back on board is probably the best method. At least, it worked best for us out of different variants.
An unconscious casualty is a giant problem, and surely worth thinking about, and discussing? Or what are you saying?

I had posted about how I set-up the runners so that they could serve as hoisting tackles that would clear the lifelines, and I could hoist away whilst standing on the side deck to enable me to manage the falls/load from one spot.
I should have left it at that.
My big mistake was using parenthesis to insert "or a person in a Lifesling".
As I had also stated that since I was a single hander, in reality, the idea of me having to hoist up a person out of the water was a pretty big leap, if not actually superfluous.
But my typing that parenthetical line caused an immediate jump to the worst conclusion; that of having to rig the tackle to/on and hoist an unconscious person.
I was only trying to point out that so many threads quickly descend into a never-ending stream of "what ifs".
It reminded me of the reams of "what ifs" that the planners of D-Day most surely must have had.
Edit; Perhaps a better analogy might have been when Gen. Patton was outfitting his new boat, the schooner "When and If".
The question was posed, "what if your chronometer is wrong", his reply, "Then we should have two of them".
Then the next question; "With two, how would you know which one was right"?
His answer, "we'll have three".
So,, how about four, or six, or any number?

[hpeer]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Gave me a chuckle... with all the comments about mid boom vangs and preventers causing boom failures, don't you think that spelling it "Boom BRAKE" would be better?

Jim

Interesting comment. I have not seen a lot if discussion about preventers and vangs breaking booms. I suspect my arrangement is different from others. Perhaps there is a thread on the topic?

[hpeer]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I question the ability of a single sailor to get an unconscious MOB on board using any method whatsoever. How do you get the lifting tackle on the casualty?


We did a lot of practice with this and the only feasible solution we found was for someone to get into the water with the casualty to get the lines/sling on.

I agree that this would be difficult. I have a very large snap shackle.

We have relatively low freeboard and I have retrieved stuff over the side. So I believe it difficult but not impossible. In extremis I have a side boarding ladder that could be rigged in 2 minutes.

Not that I imagine any of this operation to be smooth or easy. I have read of a husband loosing his Wife to hypothermia. He had grip of her but could not hoist her aboard. That mental image has some motivation for me to do better.

Another option would he to use a net type drogue, Gale Rider variety, to scoop up the MOB. Yet I see difficulties with this as well and it may also require a second person overboard.

I just don’t see the runners working - for us.

Best to not go over, ever.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Bowdrie

I had posted about how I set-up the runners so that they could serve as hoisting tackles that would clear the lifelines, and I could hoist away whilst standing on the side deck to enable me to manage the falls/load from one spot.
I should have left it at that.
My big mistake was using parenthesis to insert "or a person in a Lifesling".
As I had also stated that since I was a single hander, in reality, the idea of me having to hoist up a person out of the water was a pretty big leap, if not actually superfluous.
But my typing that parenthetical line caused an immediate jump to the worst conclusion; that of having to rig the tackle to/on and hoist an unconscious person.
I was only trying to point out that so many threads quickly descend into a never-ending stream of "what ifs".
It reminded me of the reams of "what ifs" that the planners of D-Day most surely must have had.
Edit; Perhaps a better analogy might have been when Gen. Patton was outfitting his new boat, the schooner "When and If".
The question was posed, "what if your chronometer is wrong", his reply, "Then we should have two of them".
Then the next question; "With two, how would you know which one was right"?
His answer, "we'll have three".
So,, how about four, or six, or any number?

OK, but going through the "what if's" is kind of fundamental to planning for a crisis, isn't it?


"What if the MOB casualty is unconscious" is a really important one, it seems to me. And very healthy and useful to discuss it, so that people have it in their minds when they think about MOB recovery.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by hpeer

I agree that this would be difficult. I have a very large snap shackle.

We have relatively low freeboard and I have retrieved stuff over the side. So I believe it difficult but not impossible. In extremis I have a side boarding ladder that could be rigged in 2 minutes.

Not that I imagine any of this operation to be smooth or easy. I have read of a husband loosing his Wife to hypothermia. He had grip of her but could not hoist her aboard. That mental image has some motivation for me to do better.

Another option would he to use a net type drogue, Gale Rider variety, to scoop up the MOB. Yet I see difficulties with this as well and it may also require a second person overboard.

I just don’t see the runners working - for us.

Best to not go over, ever.

Yep. I read enough stories like that, of MOB casualties dying because the crew struggled and couldn't get them on board, for me to realize that this is probably the biggest challenge of the whole exercise, at least, if you've eliminated FINDING the casualty by having people wear MOB beacons.

It's why we thought about this so much and worked so hard on it.

We did not try parbuckling (using storm jib etc.), the method you mentioned, and I think maybe this summer we'll experiment with that. For a boat with low freeboard especially that could be a really good method.

I can even kind of imagine its being somehow possible to do single handed.

I don't know -- more work is needed.