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CSY Man · 06-12-2011, 19:47

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None of this you related at all - you just posted those images and the sole purpose can only be as a troll, a lie, to get a reaction - and the proof is there for everyone to see.

Here we go again, you keep attacking the messanger, not the crappy construction.

Try to focus on the subject and stay off the booze before you post.

Wand · 06-12-2011, 20:17

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Originally Posted by CSY Man

Here we go again, you keep attacking the messanger, not the crappy construction.

Try to focus on the subject and stay off the booze before you post.

Okay, I offered you an easy way out of your humiliation but seems you don't have the sense to take it. Now for the evidence...

The following exchange pasted below happened way back in 2008. Alan Wheeler correctly diagnosed the nature of the build (ie, very likely just reinforced concrete) but was perplexed that ample rust stains were not evident.

You then responded with agreement to his comments ("bingo!") and conceded that the owner had be applying cosmetic fixes to the rust stains for years.

This was all known and agreed and is a matter of historical record.

Then just a few days ago, you posted those pics with absolutely none of that previously gleaned information, not any commentary about it being just a warning. It was not accurate or honest information, but rather just a troll for your own warped amusement.

Further, you have repeated this act at other times in the intervening years on this site and others.

Your posting behaviour is that of a troll - no other explanation can have any credibility.

And as a result, you have no personal credibility either.

Post personal abuse all you like, but the facts - and your own words - speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by*Alan Wheeler*
Difficult to tell from the photo, but something doesn't quite look right. The steel armature looks nothing more than oversized square builders mesh and the netting looks like the wrong type as well as not much of it and all rusted away. And the cement looks like a poor ratio of cement to sand, or the wrong sand or contaminated sand. Can't easily tell, but it shoudln't have crumbled like that and the internal steel should have been better protected. Which leads me to believe that this was not built correctly. I would expect that some visible external signs should have rared their ugly heads before hand. Namely rust. It is almost impossible not to have*water*hydrauliocly push*paint*away in blisters from the hull in a case like this. And it would have weeped rust around lower area's of the hull.

Originally Posted by*CSY Man*
Bingo, we have a winner.
There was plenty of rust all over the boat for years, but rust-remover and white*paint*fixed that problem with regular intervals.
Anyway, this is the boat that was docked in my canal for 10 years.
It is now on the bottom of a very deep ocean..RIP.

**hummingway** · 06-12-2011, 20:23

I think it's time everyone cooled down a little bit. The world does not turn around on any of our opinions however this forum does rely on the good nature of it's members so kiss and make up, OK?

(Seriously).

Wand · 06-12-2011, 20:28

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Originally Posted by hummingway

I think it's time everyone cooled down a little bit. The world does not turn around on any of our opinions however this forum does rely on the good nature of it's members so kiss and make up, OK?

(Seriously).

You want me to kiss Andy Capp?!! Strewth! No way!

But maybe Saucy Sailoress can pass one on

CSY Man · 06-12-2011, 20:29

You keep barking up the wrong tree:

I never built that boat, just warned folks out there that there are some bad ferro (or concrete ) boats floating around.

If you don't like the boat or the pictures or the message, tough luck but it won't change the facts..

mitiempo · 06-12-2011, 23:42

There are badly built (and designed) boats around in every material. Probably less so of wood as many have had the decency to rot and sink.

ozskip · 07-12-2011, 02:17

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Originally Posted by CSY Man

You keep barking up the wrong tree:

I never built that boat, just warned folks out there that there are some bad ferro (or concrete ) boats floating around.

If you don't like the boat or the pictures or the message, tough luck but it won't change the facts..

Wheels was never a big head as well as beeing a mod and gave a lot to foruim . I have seen a lot on this from the start and there are a few of us left From way back then but i all ask is talk with a staight and with a direct tongue

mitch57 · 07-12-2011, 03:18

hi a bit off topic im new to the forum and not sure were to post. just bought a ferro yacht for fitting out its about 35 foot 11 foot beem with 5 foot draft. with a clipper bow and single mast. i was told by the seller that it was a samson c-spay. however looking in the book all i can find on the c-spray is for a drop keel and is very differant to mine. does anyone know if there were two versions of the c-spray? thanks mitch

**Wotname** · 07-12-2011, 03:52

Can't help you with c-spray info but welcome aboard anyway. You will find the FC boys are mainly polite and helpful

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Now don't wander off into an anchor or multi/mono thread unescorted until you find your ~~sea~~ forum legs! and Oh, guns are a nono.

Wand · 07-12-2011, 04:06

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Originally Posted by mitch57

hi a bit off topic im new to the forum and not sure were to post. just bought a ferro yacht for fitting out its about 35 foot 11 foot beem with 5 foot draft. with a clipper bow and single mast. i was told by the seller that it was a samson c-spay. however looking in the book all i can find on the c-spray is for a drop keel and is very differant to mine. does anyone know if there were two versions of the c-spray? thanks mitch

The C-Spray was a 34' LOA centreboard sloop, 11'6" beam and 3'9" draft (that would be board up of course). Samson did a 36 footer but that was a ketch. The C-Bird was a 37' sloop with a beam of 10'9" and draft of 6'.

Nothing else of Samson's really seems to fit your description. Maybe someone didn't like the board and amended it to a fixed keel? Anything's possible.

Perhaps you could post some pics and some wiser heads might know more.

PS: just checked my info and the only clipper bows were on a 46 footer and 53 footer - but owners of other boats sometimes add those as a cosmetic. Maybe it was a Hartley? Or maybe my info is incomplete...

**Ex-Calif** · 07-12-2011, 04:25

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Originally Posted by mitch57

hi a bit off topic im new to the forum and not sure were to post. just bought a ferro yacht for fitting out its about 35 foot 11 foot beem with 5 foot draft. with a clipper bow and single mast. i was told by the seller that it was a samson c-spay. however looking in the book all i can find on the c-spray is for a drop keel and is very differant to mine. does anyone know if there were two versions of the c-spray? thanks mitch

Welcome aboard!

I am complete newb on ferro boats but have quickly learned that all kinds of mods are and were done and boat identification can be tricky.

Try these two links.

http://www.hartley-boats.com/sailboats.htm

http://www.ferrocement.org/index.html

Yachts66 · 07-12-2011, 05:22

And also don't forget home builders are notorious for modifying the plans to suit their fancy. Unfortunately catastrophically so at times. I once looked at what was designed to be a Roberts 53, but the builder decided he wanted a bigger boat, so he added 11 feet to the center section to give him a 64! Did I mention he did this forward of the fin keel? Left the chain plates in their original position, etc. How do you spell "Goat F*ck?" When I questioned him about the modifications he claimed he had Bruce Roberts approve his changes, but of course Bruce had never heard from the man. Pity the poor person who bought that boat!

Regards,

Thomas

southace · 07-12-2011, 05:50

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Originally Posted by CSY Man

You keep barking up the wrong tree:

I never built that boat, just warned folks out there that there are some bad ferro (or concrete ) boats floating around.

If you don't like the boat or the pictures or the message, tough luck but it won't change the facts..

I have seen many Ferro boats in the same condition in the Port River in Adelaide!

clockwork orange · 07-12-2011, 06:09

Mitch57, your boat may not be a Sampson at all, the description sounds like a Peter Ibold designed Endurance 35, there were many built in Ferro around the world as well as being pro built in the UK by Windboats as a production Ferro boat and in Spain as a production glass boat. There used to be a few for sale on Ferroboats site. Incidently the only ferro boat in the area where i live is an Endurance 35.
Steve.