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09-05-2010, 09:05
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Surveyor
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ft. Pierce, FL - Bislig, Philippines - Gladstone QLD
Boat: 1968 Alberg 30 #329
Posts: 451
Big Displacement that Is NOT a Double-Ender ?
I am narrowing my selection down to a few boats models and they are all heavy double enders ala W32, Ingrid,
Aries
yada yada.....
Obviously, I am looking at heavy
displacement
vessels but I have not been able to find one that has a "square" transom. I would be happy with a double ender but I would be ecstatic with a similar heavily laid up
boat
that I could mount
davits
and/or
radar arch
on for
solar panels
.
What boats am I missing that are not double enders, that are heavy
displacement
blue water
capable and have a "square" transom design in the 32' to 40' range?
Thanks in advance!
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09-05-2010, 09:13
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pressuredrop
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: West Palm Beach
Boat: Parkins Herreshoff 28
Posts: 932
BCC - bristol channel
cutter
The
allied
seawind
is not super heavy (it is for its size 24' wl 30' overall 12k lbs)
haha embarrased thats all i can think of right now but ill add more when i do
09-05-2010, 09:14
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CSY Man
Now on the Dark Side: Stink Potter.
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Location: Palm Coast, Florida
Boat: Sea Hunt 234 Ultra
Posts: 3,972
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All the
CSY
series...Big fat Arses on all of them
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10-05-2010, 04:49
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Richard Jordan
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA
Boat: Rhodes 32
Posts: 317
A quick list:
* Passport 40 - maybe too pricey for your
budget
, R Perry designed
* Bayfield/Gozzard 36 - gozzards are more recent and modern
*
Cabo Rico
34/36/38 -
Crealock
designed like your 32 Westsail
* Countessa 32 - the closest fit in terms of your other choices?
Best of luck.
11-05-2010, 23:55
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sestina
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: La la Land
Boat: 37' Oyster Heritage
Posts: 416
Tradewind 35: Displacement/Length ratio of 500!
12-05-2010, 16:50
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Surveyor
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ft. Pierce, FL - Bislig, Philippines - Gladstone QLD
Boat: 1968 Alberg 30 #329
Posts: 451
I appreciate the replies! I have $250k atm but will not be
buying
for another year so I will have $320k, more or less, when I do make a
purchase
but
that is my cruising kitty as well. I am hoping to spend $50-60k on a vessel and another $20-30k fitting it out if needed. Depending on the condition of the
boat
, I can mix and match those figures up to $90k.
Anyway, I am adding to my list of boats a few of the above that have been mentioned.
What is considered to be the "low end" of the ratio scale for a boat to be thought of as a heavy displacement cruiser?
Thanks in advance!
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12-05-2010, 21:16
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Event_Horizon
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Land-locked at the moment :(
Posts: 189
Already has davits! From the looks of the pics it also has a windgen and
solar panels
. Bit more $$ than you are wanting to spend though
1988 Passport 40 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
...you could always sell one of those non-essential organs.
12-05-2010, 22:50
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Bash
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: sausalito
Boat: 14 meter sloop
Posts: 7,260
Hans Christian "Christina"cutters are not double-enders.
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12-05-2010, 23:46
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mintyspilot
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Location: UK
Posts: 834
What is a double ender? What are the advantages (or otherwise) of having one?
13-05-2010, 00:47
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Event_Horizon
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Land-locked at the moment :(
Posts: 189
A double-ender is much like you'd expect:
Bow:
Stern:
Narrow butts and rudders. The advantage is you can't get much more simple in terms of
steering
(
<--they used the same system). Also, there are those that absolutely LOVE how it looks...which is a big deal. Though I'm of the belief that even if you get an ugly one, if you ride her long enough and she treats you right, you will learn to love her and find the beauty in her.
EDIT: Many sailors also really enjoy the feel of it. There is only a
single
mechanical linkage so you can really feel the boat and the waves in it.
13-05-2010, 00:55
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rebel heart
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I love having a double ender. I love the look and she seems to ride a bit smoother but that might just be my imagination.
13-05-2010, 01:30
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sobraon
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: East about Circumnavigation
Boat: Spray Replica
Posts: 144
We are biased as we have put heart and soul into 'Spirit of Sobraon' and love her, however, a well built
fiberglass
Spray is one of the most comfortable, affordable and underrated world cruising boats available.
At 26 tonne and 56' overall length we easily achieve half
wind
speed above 10 knots of breeze up to our
hull speed
of 7.5 knots. She really comes into her own when the seas and winds build above 20 knots. When other start to falter we start to revel as you can see in the video below. We shot this when the winds were 20+ knots gusting to 30 knots with a very choppy 3m beam swell last year. We past a 50'
catamaran
that was really struggling.
I have not seen Heritage II personally however she appears to be a good example of what can brought for not much
money
.
http://www.bviyachtsales.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=2106812〈=en&slim =broker&&hosturl=bviyachtsales&&ywo=bviyachtsales&
Fair Winds
Garry
Spirit of Sobraon Home Page: Sobraon's Travel...
13-05-2010, 04:45
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hpeer
Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Between Caribbean and Canada
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 8,585
If you are willing to look at
steel
boats then I think you will find many options.
Rogue Wave
has a very nice 44' Brewer pilothouse in the
price
range you are talking.
What size/displacement are you considering?
13-05-2010, 04:59
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mintyspilot
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 834
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Event_Horizon
A double-ender is much like you'd expect:
Thanks.
13-05-2010, 11:52
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Surveyor
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Location: Ft. Pierce, FL - Bislig, Philippines - Gladstone QLD
Boat: 1968 Alberg 30 #329
Posts: 451
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hpeer
What size/displacement are you considering?
Well, I am not as knowlegdable as I should be so it is hard to answer that. I can tell you that I am leaning towards either a Westsail 32 or an Ingrid 38 if I were to
purchase
a DE'er. The WS32 is 20000#/32'=625 and the Ingrid is 28000#/38'=737.
I talked with someone who is attempting to convince me that these boats are way way more than I need as far as carrying capacity. So far I am not convinced because I wish to carry plenty of tools and spares, not to mention enough stores for long passages and/or away from civilization.
I might just have to come to terms with a smaller displacement in order to have a square/flat transom to mount the the things I feel I need. Its a
trade
off because there is no perfect boat I guess.
I do like the
Morgan
382/3/4's and some of the others that have been mentioned.
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