A step up from an O'Day 19?

[Manateeman]

Hi again. I have two more recommendations. There are a lot of 22 to 24 foot catboats which can sit dry. Now, the next choice maybe two steps away but one can keep filling the cookie jar and look around for an OMNI.
I really like these boats. Strong, very reasonable price used. They just sit flat on low tide. Not as perfectly as twin keels but the cost of construction is much lower. Have the bottom epoxy coated under the antifouling. Catboats are very traditional for the inside cape but find a good OMNI and you can sail to Boston faster than you can drive. The Vinyard and all of Narragansett Bay in the fall.
Take a look at my boat and you will see why I recommend an OMNI
Happy trails to you.
Mark an aluminum loving manatee

[Snowdog2]

Manateeman,
I can't even find Omni in an internet search, other than a trash collection boat.

Snowdog2

[Manateeman]

Alubat OVNI.
I got to stop using acetone.
Sorry.
Manatee

[Snowdog2]

I'll take three of them.... oh wait, they won't fit in the harbor..... legal limit here is 27'... oh well, cancel my order. :-)

[Manateeman]

Alubat ovni is 28’. How can a harbormaster say 27’ .
My dad was a maritime attorney and I’ve never heard anything like this.
It’s a natural river. Well anyway ..why not Wellfleet or P town.
These are great boats for the cape. I don’t mean to pry but they sometimes are not that expensive...within your budget?
Lot more boat than a 22’ cat boat.
Manatee

[Manateeman]

www.dickzaalyachtdesigns.nl
Hi I think I got the right web page. The boat is puffin.
Will dry out on the sand or sail offshore to Bermuda.
Just beautiful sailing. I’ve seen Puffin undersail. Took my breath away.
I think there is a photo of her on boatdesign.net
My wife says: not Dutch, not much.
Beautiful boats for flat tide harbors.
Happy trails to you.
Mark, a TIG welding manatee

[Manateeman]

Sorry. dickzaalyachtdesign.nl singular not plural
Manatee

[Manateeman]

Hi. The boat name was puffin. The design is #57 called swift. It’s under his aluminum designs.
Manatee

[Snowdog2]

KD9Truck, I have no idea what you are talking about with your "Jones" comment.

[Snowdog2]

Manateeman, I would assume that the 27' limit is based on licencing restrictions for the harbor, which is managed or owned by the town. Truthfully, 27' would be huge for this harbor unless you had a float in the deeper waters (a long wait in a waiting list if one is to get one... I could be dead by then).

[Snowdog2]

The issue here is not just sitting on dry land, but on how for how long it is too shallow to be able to go in and out of the mo0ring. I have a very good mooring now, but it is will still touch bottom at about a .5 or so tide at low tide. Today it was -.9 and I could see my mooring ball sitting on the shells and sand (my boat was out of the water to do a repair). So, I feel pretty good with a 1 foot draft, but the deeper I go the less time I have to be able to get in and out of my mooring location. Now that I have figured that out, I am beginning to think that my Oday 19 is pretty good. It has a 8.5' cockpit I think, which is great. I rather the room be in the cockpit than the cuddy. I just wish the boom was 2 feet higher so I could get some sort of small bimini on it.

[Manateeman]

Hi. Ptown,Wellfleet out of the running? What about trailering.
Please look at the Alubats and the Netherlands boats. Cape Cod Bay in the fall, and spring. In the winter a really big anchor cause nobody is in the harbor.
South side of cape Wareham to Narragansett in the fall. It’s beautiful sailing.
The above designs can go skinny water to cross oceans. Aluminum is a beautiful material. You keep all the weight where you want.
Just about all the good boats for your location I can think of.
Happy trails to you.
Mark, an old boatbuilding manatee

[Snowdog2]

I of course will look at all the boats recommended, however, Provincetown harbor will literally cost us 10x the mooring fee, as we are residents for the Pamet, or we could get a permanant mooring for some up front money and then just pay for a low seasonal fee, a fee for docking a dinghy, and a fee for a parking pass. Wellfleet has a very restricted harbor. Doesn't matter what size boat, hard to get out half the time as the Harbor has not been dredged in years. They keep talking about dredging, but they are looking at some huge amount like $14 million ... maybe more by now. Spending a lot on a new aluminum or even used aluminum boat I don't think is in the cards for us. The Aulbats are quite expensive. Haven't looked at Netherlands yet. Never heard of them before your last post. Thanks for all the recommendations. We may consider a permanent mooring in PTown at some point, just not this year. We've talked about it.

[Snowdog2]

I think I found a boat I like. Unfortunately they seem to only be available in Europe. A Parker 235 sailboat. I couldn't find a single on here in the states.

[Manateeman]

In YBW. Com there are some details of the keel mechanism. Complex, easy to jam, very heavy. Three reasons I don’t think this is a great design. I helped a friend who had a lifting keel drop out of his 22 ‘ boat. Once the boat was out of the water and way up in the air, I figured a way to repair the pin, and put the keel back in. A huge amount of work. I could have built a centerboard for a Marshall catboat and put it in place in half the time.
When we built our boat, there were builders in Europe who were doing lifting keels and centerboards for aluminum expedition yachts. We went with twin keels even though they cost so much more just because of my experience with lifting keels. Centerboards are ok on wood catboats or maybe a Marshall 22, but larger than that or any heavier, and you will find out what a huge problem you will have if ...they get stuck up or down or ...it’s time to fix the pivot pin or ...it’s time to replace the lifting mechanism or ...you forget it’s down and the tide goes out or ...it’s simply time to paint them and the interior of the centerboard box.
Cape Cod Catboat...self explanatory concept.
Keep looking.
Till then, happy trails to you.
Mark, a twin keel manatee