Poland Flag - Non-eu resident , VAT ?

[worldsailors]

Hello,
I am a non-EU resident who likes to register my boat in Poland, I don't plan to stay more than 18 months in the EU with my boat, Does anyone know if I still have to pay VAT for my boat?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by worldsailors

Hello,
I am a non-EU resident who likes to register my boat in Poland, I don't plan to stay more than 18 months in the EU with my boat, Does anyone know if I still have to pay VAT for my boat?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

The flag state is irelevant. If you are non eu resident that’s all that matters

[boatman61]

Do you already own the boat.?
Why are you flagging it in Poland.?
If you are non EU you can only stay for 90 days anyway.. the boat can stay for 18mths.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Do you already own the boat.?

Why are you flagging it in Poland.?

If you are non EU you can only stay for 90 days anyway.. the boat can stay for 18mths.

Why not flag it in Poland. Many countries have long winded registration processes whereas Polands one one is very simple

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Why not flag it in Poland. Many countries have long winded registration processes whereas Polands one one is very simple

Don't like this...
DOCUMENTS REQUIRED TO REGISTER UNDER THE POLISH FLAG
• Owner's identity document (valid passport) of an individual or proof of identity (valid passports) of the directors in case of corporate ownership

• Proof of Ownership (either a Sales Agreement; commercial invoice; Bill of Sale; Notarial Statement, etc)

• Scanned copy of any of the following (CE Certificate; Tonnage Certificate; Builders Certificate; Survey Report; Yacht's Manual)

• Photos of the outside and the inside (engine room) of the boat, showing its name, engine's serial number, hull number; and CE plate

• CE Design category (A, B, C, D)

• Deletion of the previous flag if the boat was previously registered – if the boat is brand new we need builders certificate

Sending original documents makes me twitchy.

[worldsailors]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

The flag state is irelevant. If you are non eu resident that’s all that matters

does that means, as long as the boat doesn't stay more than 180 days in the EU water , even the boat is with Polish flag, I dont need to pay VAT ?
Many thanks

[worldsailors]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Don't like this...
DOCUMENTS REQUIRED TO REGISTER UNDER THE POLISH FLAG
• Owner's identity document (valid passport) of an individual or proof of identity (valid passports) of the directors in case of corporate ownership

• Proof of Ownership (either a Sales Agreement; commercial invoice; Bill of Sale; Notarial Statement, etc)

• Scanned copy of any of the following (CE Certificate; Tonnage Certificate; Builders Certificate; Survey Report; Yacht's Manual)

• Photos of the outside and the inside (engine room) of the boat, showing its name, engine's serial number, hull number; and CE plate

• CE Design category (A, B, C, D)

• Deletion of the previous flag if the boat was previously registered – if the boat is brand new we need builders certificate

Sending original documents makes me twitchy.

Many agents in Poland can do the registration work, simple and easy, the only confusing part for me now is only the VAT as Non-Eu with EU Flag in EU water. Yes, I can only stay 90 days anyway, but I dont know if i will be charged even if I just stay within 90 days with eu flag in eu water.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by worldsailors

does that means, as long as the boat doesn't stay more than 180 days in the EU water , even the boat is with Polish flag, I dont need to pay VAT ?

Many thanks

Again VAT is a function of the tax status of the “ beneficial owner” it has nothing to do with the flag of the boat

Hence if you are not an EU resident your boat , irrespective of flag , is entitled to 18 months in the EU before EU vat becomes due.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Again VAT is a function of the tax status of the “ beneficial owner” it has nothing to do with the flag of the boat

Hence if you are not an EU resident your boat , irrespective of flag , is entitled to 18 months in the EU before EU vat becomes due.

Vat is not associated with the flag.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Don't like this...

DOCUMENTS REQUIRED TO REGISTER UNDER THE POLISH FLAG

• Owner's identity document (valid passport) of an individual or proof of identity (valid passports) of the directors in case of corporate ownership



• Proof of Ownership (either a Sales Agreement; commercial invoice; Bill of Sale; Notarial Statement, etc)



• Scanned copy of any of the following (CE Certificate; Tonnage Certificate; Builders Certificate; Survey Report; Yacht's Manual)



• Photos of the outside and the inside (engine room) of the boat, showing its name, engine's serial number, hull number; and CE plate



• CE Design category (A, B, C, D)



• Deletion of the previous flag if the boat was previously registered – if the boat is brand new we need builders certificate



Sending original documents makes me twitchy.

Most European registrars require originals , I had to send all mine in.

[worldsailors]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Again VAT is a function of the tax status of the “ beneficial owner” it has nothing to do with the flag of the boat

Hence if you are not an EU resident your boat , irrespective of flag , is entitled to 18 months in the EU before EU vat becomes due.

thank you very much @goboatingnow, clear answer, I understood now

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Most European registrars require originals , I had to send all mine in.

These people are not registrars, they are agencies so how do you tell the genuine from the scam..
Lose your fee, passport, bill of sale..
I'll stick to SSR thanks..

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

These people are not registrars, they are agencies so how do you tell the genuine from the scam..

Lose your fee, passport, bill of sale..

I'll stick to SSR thanks..

Sure sure boatman sticky Europeans can’t be trusted what old boy. Sure Poland is hardly a country what

You don’t have to use the agencies if you read and write polish

SSR is not full registry any way. It does not convey legal title. The polish one is

( doesn’t everyone get a few original bills of sale ? , I have three ) passports are easily replaced ( they only need a scan of that anyway )

The polish registry is by far the easiest EU registry to access and provides a full title registry as well as ships call sign and MMSI. You only need certain originals.

I’ve not heard of any scams and the polish registry is now very common. None with a EU boat wants a red ensign as it attracts the vat watchers !!!

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

. . . I’ve not heard of any scams and the polish registry is now very common. None with a EU boat wants a red ensign as it attracts the vat watchers !!!

"VAT watchers"? Have these been seen in the wild?


Curious since I am using the Red Ensign in EU waters.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

"VAT watchers"? Have these been seen in the wild?


Curious since I am using the Red Ensign in EU waters.

Yep port office in vaithi did a trawl recently mainly focused on non eu boats ( transit log etc )