How seriously is the 2M dumping policy enforced? (Yet another poo question)

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

I bet those pooping directly over the side or tossing the bucketful over are going to have a rough time using their "it doesn't say it is illegal" argument in court. Next time the water cop is next to you give it a try.

the bucket and chuck it method is in violation of the law . You put it into a container . So now that bucket is a holding tank.

[donradcliffe]

Originally Posted by redneckrob

It's really a moot point. Wildlife is going to defecate wherever they are when they get the urge. That in no way in any reasonable universe justifies humans dumping their feces in the water in a mooring area any more than it justifies you dumping the discharge from your home toilet into the street in front of your house because birds happen to defecate there as well. The entire "well wildlife does it so why can't I" argument is absolutely asinine, and relative bacteria count of different species feces doesn't make it any less so.

You obviously didn't get my point. I was objecting to the unsubstantiated claims by several posters that animal poop is not as nasty as human poop. I would suggest that science says otherwise.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5647569/

This article has little zingers in it like

"Approximately one-third of deaths among children under five years due to diarrhea in the Global Burden of Disease 2015 report are attributed to pathogens that can be found in animal feces."

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by newhaul

the bucket and chuck it method is in violation of the law . You put it into a container . So now that bucket is a holding tank.

Guess we will have to get rid of the old oaken bucket. Anyone determined tp break the law can. It probably comes down ro ethics.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Cadence

Guess we will have to get rid of the old oaken bucket. Anyone determined tp break the law can. It probably comes down ro ethics.

get some sawdust and make it a boone john

Not best on a boat but makes it legal

There is a real difference between right , or correct
And legal by the law

[rogue trader]

what wealthy boater?

[rogue trader]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

You obviously didn't get my point. I was objecting to the unsubstantiated claims by several posters that animal poop is not as nasty as human poop. I would suggest that science says otherwise.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5647569/

This article has little zingers in it like

"Approximately one-third of deaths among children under five years due to diarrhea in the Global Burden of Disease 2015 report are attributed to pathogens that can be found in animal feces."

perhaps a seat conected to a 12inch plastic rigged over the stern of the boat like in the days of drake ect (towel for modesty of course).

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by rogue trader

perhaps a seat conected to a 12inch plastic rigged over the stern of the boat like in the days of drake ect (towel for modesty of course).

they didn't call it the poop deck for nothing

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by rogue trader

what wealthy boater?

that's y question .

Heck I have to work just to pay the moorage.

[dustman]

Aside from being nasty to dump in rivers and close to shore where people will be, possibly leading to serious health problems...


There are serious ecological reasons not to dump in rivers and near shore. If enough people do it can lead to dead zones, where all the nutrients in poop, urine, and other organic waste, such as kitchen scraps, cause extraordinary growth of certain organisms leading to low levels of oxygen as well as a multitude of other ecologically destabilizing effects.


https://www.nationalgeographic.org/e...dia/dead-zone/


Please, just don't, unless absolutely necessary.


An option would be to set up a composting toilet system, then whenever you have the opportunity you can dispose of the waste properly, either by dumping well offshore where it can dissipate harmlessly, or you can dig a hole well off the waterway and bury it.



Also good to do at home, so all that doesn't end up in rivers and the oceans via the waste treatment system. Not to mention it is a waste of perfectly good fertilizer for your garden or trees, after a proper composting cycle of course. My brothers garden is very healthy and productive using properly composted waste.

[Scorpius]

I'm sure the ICW has lots of pump out stations. Use them. If you are in a remote area with no convenient pump out then discharge overboard - but not in a tight Cove or popular Anchorage. Do it in open water as far from shore as possible. Ever think why popular anchorages have slimy bottoms and rarely used ones nice clean sand? Think about it.

If you have an older Canadian boat you may not have a holding tank. Do something about it. That was the situation when I bought Scorpius and I replaced the old direct-discharge head with a composer. Never regretted it.

The irony around here is that the US has declared all of Puget Sound and their half of Juan de Fuca Strait a no-discharge zone while a few miles away Greater Victoria, with half a million people or so discharges all their raw sewage directly into the salt chuck. Along with all the crap our logging industry puts into the water it's a national disgrace.

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by dustman

Aside from being nasty to dump in rivers and close to shore where people will be, possibly leading to serious health problems...


There are serious ecological reasons not to dump in rivers and near shore. If enough people do it can lead to dead zones, where all the nutrients in poop, urine, and other organic waste, such as kitchen scraps, cause extraordinary growth of certain organisms leading to low levels of oxygen as well as a multitude of other ecologically destabilizing effects.


https://www.nationalgeographic.org/e...dia/dead-zone/




Please, just don't, unless absolutely necessary.


An option would be to set up a composting toilet system, then whenever you have the opportunity you can dispose of the waste properly, either by dumping well offshore where it can dissipate harmlessly, or you can dig a hole well off the waterway and bury it.



Also good to do at home, so all that doesn't end up in rivers and the oceans via the waste treatment system. Not to mention it is a waste of perfectly good fertilizer for your garden or trees, after a proper composting cycle of course. My brothers garden is very healthy and productive using properly composted waste.

In Korea apparently they dispose of the waste in rice paddies as fertilizer. Whenever it rained in Camp Humphries we weren’t allowed to use the football field as it was contaminated with fecal bacteria and had made Soldiers sick in the past.

A “composting” toilet like what it used in a boat does NOT eliminate the pathogens, it’s not really a composting toilet, merely dessicates it or dries it out, except for being dry there isn’t much if any difference between it and what’s in a holding tank, you should dispose of it in a safe manner just like the contents of a holding tank.

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

SNIP

A “composting” toilet like what it used in a boat does NOT eliminate the pathogens, it’s not really a composting toilet, merely dessicates it or dries it out, except for being dry there isn’t much if any difference between it and what’s in a holding tank, you should dispose of it in a safe manner just like the contents of a holding tank.

There is a huge difference between a moist and dry environment. Pathogens that can live and thrive in a moist environment die quickly in a dry environment. Not just the pathogens die, other microbes die as well. Not sure if you have ever smelled what comes out of a holding tank as opposed to what comes out of a composting head but if you think "there isn’t much if any difference" you may need to see a medical doctor about your sense of smell.

As an aside while it is true that in Florida the FWC does not pay attention to land based sewage plants who discharge into the water ways the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the Florida Department of Health both have jurisdiction and frequently fine plants that illegally discharge; usually those fines are based on how large the discharge is and how long it lasts.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by taxwizz

And as their bodies jam up with poop, and intestines become overloaded, they likely eat less, too.

But be ready for the 2 ton dump at the end. YIKES.
"Holy shirt, Batman"

Put the crew on a hard cheese and instant coffee diet and you'll get the same result without medicating them.

[dustman]

Originally Posted by tomfl

There is a huge difference between a moist and dry environment. Pathogens that can live and thrive in a moist environment die quickly in a dry environment. Not just the pathogens die, other microbes die as well. Not sure if you have ever smelled what comes out of a holding tank as opposed to what comes out of a composting head but if you think "there isn’t much if any difference" you may need to see a medical doctor about your sense of smell.

As an aside while it is true that in Florida the FWC does not pay attention to land based sewage plants who discharge into the water ways the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the Florida Department of Health both have jurisdiction and frequently fine plants that illegally discharge; usually those fines are based on how large the discharge is and how long it lasts.

To bad the fines are usually less for businesses than the profit made by those kinds of practices.

[dustman]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

A “composting” toilet like what it used in a boat does NOT eliminate the pathogens, it’s not really a composting toilet, merely dessicates it or dries it out, except for being dry there isn’t much if any difference between it and what’s in a holding tank, you should dispose of it in a safe manner just like the contents of a holding tank.

Controlling the moisture level and carbon/nitrogen balance DOES eliminate most pathogens. It is all about creating an environment in which the pathogenic organisms are out-competed and/or cannot survive. At the very least, storing your waste in this way prevents the growth of more pathogenic organisms(a holding tank is a near perfect breeding ground) until you can dispose of it in a sound way. There are next to no living pathogenic organisms left in properly composted waste. This is fact, not fiction. Suggested reading: The Humanure Handbook.