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Old 06-02-2020, 11:56   #91
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Re: How seriously is the 2M dumping policy enforced? (Yet another poo question)

Dumping fecal coliforms. I like shrimp, oysters and clams. dumping in shore is killing those industries. Even at that who wants to eat something that is a natural filter for a natural environment not one polluted. These are either bred or live in out their live in the reeds, Lord knows encroachment from filling in marsh is doing enough damage.
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considered direct discharge therefore legal.
So.....If I jump in the water and poo while there, it is OK?
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The discussion so far has been about toilets.
What about the sink water discharge?
That is mostly just water from hand washing.
Does anyone have any info on regulations applying to sink water?
Is it OK to discharge sink water into the lake or ocean?
I believe that some lakes are zero discharge, as in nothing, not even the dishwater, but Iíd assume also that there arenít many visiting cruising boats on these lakes.
I have no idea really, but would bet that based on its location, Tahoe would be one, but that is purely a guess.
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Itís my understanding this directive came straight from the harbor master, although I havenít spoken to her myself to confirm. Typically departments will have policies that arenít posted online but are made available when requested. Presumably itís written in the policies. I havenít been able to completely take the lawyer out of the girl, so Iíve been trying to resist going down the rabbit hole to find out given that we donít spend much time there at anchor.
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I do wonder if this local enforcement would stand up to a court challenge given that composters are Type III MSDs. But I certainly don't care enough to actually do anything.

Actually, I had heard the SSCA was bringing some sort of challenge to this policy. I'm no longer a member. Maybe someone who is could find out if anything has happened.
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So.....If I jump in the water and poo while there, it is OK?
yes that would be legal in any waters it is direct discharge.

Never said good idea just legal.

Just like suicide it is legal but just wouldn't recommend it
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So.....If I jump in the water and poo while there, it is OK?
Itís my understanding that if you do itís legal, itís also legal if you were to pee over the side, excepting of course the public indecency thing.
But if you were to pee in a container and pour it overboard itís illegal.

This was a discussion with an FWC officer who asked what my pee bottle was for in the cockpit.
Sometimes going below or hanging over the side isnít an option, like motoring down the ICW for instance.
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This is a good conversation to have, and it is good to hear that almost all of us try to do our best in our own practices. Ultimately, we can only make a difference in our own lives. If we’re lucky, we can pass at least some of our values to our children.
Our planet has over 7 billion people. In the developed world, most sewage treatment is performed using secondary systems. If everything is working correctly, secondary treatment is about 90% effective, i.e. a First World city of one million people will be dumping the equivalent of 100,000 people’s worth of untreated sewage 24/7/365. It often gets worse, as most older cities have combined sewer systems - both sewage and rainwater are conducted by the same piping system. What that means is that whenever it rains, sewage treatment plants become overloaded, so flow gets diverted and untreated sewage is directly dumped into whatever waterway its discharge.
The under-developed world is far, far worse, of course.
Continue being considerate of others, but boaters’ pump outs are a generally mandatory bandaid on a quadruple accidental amputation victim.
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A few miles offshore, I don't really care what you do.


Inshore, shellfish beds are vulnerable to vibro (aka cholera and its relations). They are filter feeders and they concentrate whatever you've got, whether is bothering you or not. Unlike may bacteria, vibro tolerates saltwater, and it tolerates the brackish water of the ICW and bays very well.

Parallels to manatees and dogs are inaccurate. They are intuitively logical and comfortable, since they tell you want to hear, but they are, in fact, simply wrong.



Shellfish bed closures also hurt watermen.
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Checking that the y valve is properly secured is a laugh. Anyone wishing to skirt the law would have no problem. It only prevents unintentional discharge. I can see it for the weekend party boating sector.
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Re: How seriously is the 2M dumping policy enforced? (Yet another poo question)

I read a few years ago that 75% of drowned fishermen in British Columbia had their zippers down. This was in a pamphlet to promote the use of a pee tube to keep them down in the boat instead of up on the rail. I wonder that would qualify as direct discharge.
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Poop really gets people excited on CF
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yes that would be legal in any waters it is direct discharge.

Never said good idea just legal.

Just like suicide it is legal but just wouldn't recommend it
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I bet those pooping directly over the side or tossing the bucketful over are going to have a rough time using their "it doesn't say it is illegal" argument in court. Next time the water cop is next to you give it a try.
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Just like suicide it is legal but just wouldn't recommend it
It's kind of weird. At least throughout most of the United States, attempted suicide is illegal. Of course, there is no law against a successful suicide, because there would be no one to prosecute anyway!


But to the question of hopping over the side to go, yeah, you are not violating any of the federal marine sanitation laws when you do that. There may be some local laws about going in public, or whatever, that you would be violating. But when it comes to federal marine sanitation laws, "direct discharge" is perfectly legal.
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It's kind of weird. At least throughout most of the United States, attempted suicide is illegal. Of course, there is no law against a successful suicide, because there would be no one to prosecute anyway!


But to the question of hopping over the side to go, yeah, you are not violating any of the federal marine sanitation laws when you do that. There may be some local laws about going in public, or whatever, that you would be violating. But when it comes to federal marine sanitation laws, "direct discharge" is perfectly legal.
But don't do it in the Amazon River......
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