Dutch sailor shot dead in Brazil-(Merged)

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by dpons

Well, must be a democratic dictatorship then, because the government party there won all the (free and audited) elections since 2000 to this day.

You may call it a Democratic Dictatorship. Since they rigged the election I would call it a downright Dictatorship. You know today the third world Dictator of Venezuela "assumed" all powers and as of today is ruling be decree. Viva the socialist revolution, I don't think so.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by dpons

To finalize my part in this discussion, I live here in SA. For us living here, the last 10 years have been the best in 50 years and that with governments that go from social-democratic center to socialist ma non troppo. It got better not only for the poor, for the rich too. In my yacht club, the boats went during this period from average 25-28 ft to average 45-50 ft. That's several fold in cost.

Some of you insist in demonize SA and put the contrast all the way to 11. ........

For the last 12 years I have been spending 6 months of the year in the 'southern cone. I don't 'demonize' SA... in fact if I didn't live where I do I would live in either Chile or Uruguay... Chile #1 as the sailing is far superior.
Both of those countries appear to have a growing middle class... the cornerstone for any succesful democracy.
Argentina? The rich get richer ( who owns all the real estate in Punta Del Este?) while the poor are 'subsidised' by a regime as corrupt as any you could find anywhere. Meanwhile the middle class get shafted at every turn and lose their life savings to financial crisis at least once a decade. Its about time for another implosion...
OK, lets go buy some votes down the villas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw

[Jon Eisberg]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

What to you expect to happen as our 1st world values for the past 30-40 years are being diluted by the hordes of 3rd world types overwhelming the system? When "Jose the illegal" undercuts the union guy by offering his serivces at $10/hr cash at the HD parking lot what do you expect the 20 year old son of that union guy to be able to afford educationwise?

OK, I'll play... :-)

Ahhh, for the Good Old Days, when America's great works and achievements - such as the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad, for instance - were carried out by labor force comprised of Born in the USA Union Guys, without foreign-sounding names like "Jose"...

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

And the ironic part is that the 20 year old is likely to be on the Jose's side politically and philosophically.

Some might see further irony in the fact that a couple of the leading contenders for Team Red's Presidential Nominee next time around have risen to national prominence largely on their reputation as the "Union-Busting Governor" of their respective states...

Go figure...

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by dpons

To finalize my part in this discussion, I live here in SA. For us living here, the last 10 years have been the best in 50 years and that with governments that go from social-democratic center to socialist ma non troppo. It got better not only for the poor, for the rich too. In my yacht club, the boats went during this period from average 25-28 ft to average 45-50 ft. That's several fold in cost.

Some of you insist in demonize SA and put the contrast all the way to 11. The only thing I said is that reality is more nuanced. That is somewhat of a impossibility to accept to those who say that Obama is an islam practitioner with socialist leanings born in Africa, his wife is a chimp and that socialized health care is the end of civilization. I'm won't attempt to cure you of your ills

I don't think it is nice for you to slander the President of the United States like that. As for your only saying that reality is more nuanced I suggest you go back and read what you have posted. Nothing nuanced at all about calling me a slanderer while you didn't a dress one charge I made. You filled this forum with your propoganda saying a brave prosecutor in Argentina committed suicide when even Kirchner admitted publicly he was probably murdered and than went on to blame USA agents who wanted to cause trouble.

You know in the United States telling the truth is not slander. Yes I know that in Uruguay or Argentina you can go to jail for slandering a policy figure even if what you say is the truth. That's all part of their perverted undemocratic system.

So are you denying Christina's children are not cocaine addicts? Are you denying that Doctors believe Christina's recent hospital stay for a brain anurism was caused by her drug taking? Are you denying the use of Argentinian Airforce planes to smuggle drugs and money into Argentina? Are you denying that Chavez gave millions in smuggled cash directly to Kirchner to fund his and her campaigns? Are you denying that Christina has entered into a pact with Iran?

Please tell me what I have said is untrue. Because what I have stated us known in every coffee shop in Buenos Aires. It just isn't spoken of. The fear from the days of a military dictatorship run deep and given the recent Nisman assassination the public's fears are not without basis.

As for dismissing my muggings and armed car attack in Argentina by saying you have never been mugged well that makes a lot of sense. Perhaps you look like the regular person on the streets. I don't. No matter how much I dress down I don't fit in on the street. It's not my fault. I try. But it is what it is. The street gangsters can smell me coming a mile off. Jewellery or no jewellery. And yes I do have blond hair.

[GoingWalkabout]

Since this thread is about a sailor who was shot in Brazil and the safety issue of Brazil it is with noting that over 1 million Brazilians took to the streets today demonstrating against Government corruption. Sounds like everything is safe and sound in good old Brazil.

[dpons]

Originally Posted by Going Walkabout

I don't think it is nice for you to slander the President of the United States like that

Clearly, you are irony-impaired. As I said, I'm done with the political discussion on this thread. Keep getting the info from coffee shops.

[tropicalescape]

come on we were all getting along so well,dont get upset you will draw unwanted attention..

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by dpons

It got better not only for the poor, for the rich too. In my yacht club, the boats went during this period from average 25-28 ft to average 45-50 ft. That's several fold in cost.....

Well, thats been going on in lots of places from Australia to Chile with the glut of cheap boats ( made cheaper by the weak US $ ) available in the US since 2008.

Well everywhere but Argentina that is... can't get your $US out past the dollar sniffer dogs in that country so that you can buy a boat.... Argentina appeals to sniffer dogs to detect capital flight at border crossings — MercoPress

People trading up from 25 foot to 45 foot? That would be the middle class... I don't think the rich have ever had 25 foot boats......

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

come on we were all getting along so well,dont get upset you will draw unwanted attention..

Fair go.... I've managed to get boats and sailing into my last two posts

[svlamorocha]

Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout

Before I left Buenos Aires a few days ago they had run out of the equivalent of Tylenol. Not a tablet available anywhere in the country. .

Hey GW, I think someone is exaggerating somewhere. You will not find acetaminophen in Argentina (or anywhere outside the US) because outside the US it is called paracetamol. Most common brand name is Tafirol; I bought a bottle at the airport before catching my flight North. I will be happy to trade your beemer for a bottle of Tafirol

Cheers
C

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by svlamorocha

Hey GW, I think someone is exaggerating somewhere. You will not find acetaminophen in Argentina (or anywhere outside the US) because outside the US it is called paracetamol. Most common brand name is Tafirol; I bought a bottle at the airport before catching my flight North. I will be happy to trade your beemer for a bottle of Tafirol

Cheers
C

I'm State side for the next few weeks. You are absolutely correct. It is called paracetamol in Argentina and they had run out of it 2 weeks ago. I've been noticing some usual brands at the Supermercado disappearing if the shelves for weeks and then showing up again. Some brands don't return. Don't get me wrong. It isn't like Venezuela yet but bas signs are appearing. Even my Dentist is having problems getting a hold of what he needs for his practice.

I love my friends in Argentina and the coffee and food is fantastic. But you would have to be blind not to see what is really going on.

[tropicalescape]

All this discourse is good and necessary for anyone contemplating sailing to or visiting "The Area"(Ya right!)What I would like to know is "whats next , whose next ? The opposition cant keep a candle lit in any country save a few and I wonder if any of them would ever be able to govern a populace that's used to 10 years of " here lets take from them and distribute to the masses and when its gone we will,we will, " I smell sulfur " Those goddamn Yankee Devils did it to us again!!... " When people stop becoming the victim they become the victor and all is well..

[GoingWalkabout]

Originally Posted by svlamorocha

Hey GW, I think someone is exaggerating somewhere. You will not find acetaminophen in Argentina (or anywhere outside the US) because outside the US it is called paracetamol. Most common brand name is Tafirol; I bought a bottle at the airport before catching my flight North. I will be happy to trade your beemer for a bottle of Tafirol

Cheers
C

Thanks for the offer but I'm stocking up on a few things for my return flight to BA. At least at the moment I don't have to bring my own toilet paper like in Venezuela.

I think I'll keep my bullet proof beemer for a bit longer. Those bullet proof windows cost a heap down there.

[Island Time O25]

Originally Posted by Jon Eisberg

OK, I'll play... :-)

Ahhh, for the Good Old Days, when America's great works and achievements - such as the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad, for instance - were carried out by labor force comprised of Born in the USA Union Guys, without foreign-sounding names like "Jose"...




Some might see further irony in the fact that a couple of the leading contenders for Team Red's Presidential Nominee next time around have risen to national prominence largely on their reputation as the "Union-Busting Governor" of their respective states...

Go figure...

Why not go back to the King Phillip wars and such?

I was talking about the post WWII prosperity. That was not brought about by hoardes of 3rd world illegals but by all players in the economy sharing the wealth and paying back through buying US companies' products, etc. The feed back loop back than was positive and reinforced the spiral going up. The feedback loop today is negative and brings everyone down to a point zero. Including the hoardes coming in. Watch how after the intended amnesty a new wave of illegals will destroy whatever the anticipated pluses that amnesty are supposed to bring.

[Island Time O25]

Originally Posted by boatman61

So.. its nothing to do with the miniscule amount of Corprate fat catz n bankers n sold out politicians with golden bonuses and retirement packages for wrecking economies then...
Phew.. what a relief.. I was worried for a moment.

No, it has nothing to do with that. What you're describing are the symptoms not the causes of the disease. The major cause is the total degeneration of education in the past 50-60 years and the related loss of thinking abilities among the general public. To the point where very few saw the irony or the doublethink of the first ever divorced US president being touted for his family values stands. Not to mention the first US president not serving in the armed forces being touted as almost a hero-veteran. And all other such discrepancies. And it went downhill from there.