Turkey, Izmir, Car Bomb, 40 ISIS Terrorists arrested

[Polux]

Originally Posted by varkpilot

... Our "democracy" needs to be overhauled? You are absolutely right. We need to fire the government and start over. Not just the elective offices, either. They need to take their bureaucrats with them when they go. Such is my opinion.

Interesting stuff. Can you explain better?

[varkpilot]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Nothing to apologise for Varkpilot..
Was just playing for dramatic effect..

Thanks, boatman. I hate to get cross-ways with good people.

Ray

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Polux

Some parallel there. The question is: Should they be allowed to rule themselves or not?

Originally Posted by varkpilot

What a question! Would you have us be slaves?

Can you explain what you mean? Why letting other people and other countries live the way that they want to live would make us slaves?

If I understand correctly all this story about terrorism is a kind of retaliation for not letting them live the way they want. The countries targeted are the ones that have intervened or are intervening on Muslim countries.

Not that I am defending any form of terrorism or even like the way they want to live but in what I am concerned it is their business and they are entitled to be left alone and live the way they want.

[varkpilot]

Originally Posted by Polux

Interesting stuff. Can you explain better?

Again I would refer you to Mr. Jefferson and the other founding fathers of America. They left us a lot of their reasoning on paper and were great advocates of "refreshing" government from time to time. One of them said something on the order of, 'From time to time, the tree of Liberty needs to be watered with the blood of traitors and patriots". Men are full of corruption and should be removed from the powerful offices they hold after a time. We have devolved into a lazy electorate and leave these men in place far too long in many cases. Stupid when it's so easy to vote them out. We have senators and representatives we continue to vote back into office for 30 or more years. Most unwise.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Polux

Can you explain what you mean? Why letting other people and other countries live the way that they want to live would make us slaves?

If I understand correctly all this story about terrorism is a kind of retaliation for not letting them live the way they want. The countries targeted are the ones that have intervened or are intervening on Muslim countries.

Not that I am defending any form of terrorism or even like the way they want to live but in what I am concerned it is their business and they are entitled to be left alone and live the way they want.

That's what I told those damn Italians.. would they listen..???
Ended up having to call in Trumps Uncle Hadrian..

[varkpilot]

Originally Posted by Polux

Can you explain what you mean? Why letting other people and other countries live the way that they want to live would make us slaves?

If I understand correctly all this story about terrorism is a kind of retaliation for not letting them live the way they want. The countries targeted are the ones that have intervened or are intervening on Muslim countries.

Not that I am defending any form of terrorism or even like the way they want to live but in what I am concerned it is their business and they are entitled to be left alone and live the way they want.

Is that what you thought I meant? No. Other people and their nations can live however they please, as far as I'm concerned, so long as they don't bring their systems into the United States. Sharia law is a great example. In the countries where that is accepted by its citizens, it's their business. Just don't try bringing Sharia law into America. Blood would eventually be spilled over that, and I doubt it would take very long.

[Bill Seal]

A democracy without controls leads to total oppression of minorities.
Do you really think the Christian minorities in places like Turkey and Egypt want to live under Sharia law? How about Nigeria and Boko Haram?
That's why our founding fathers created a representative republic with things like the Senate and Supreme Court.

[robert sailor]

[QUOTE=Bill Seal;2297726]A democracy without controls leads to total oppression of minorities.
Do you really think the Christian minorities in places like Turkey and Egypt want to live under Sharia law? How about Nigeria and Boko Haram?
That's why our founding fathers created a representative republic with things like the Senate and Supreme Court.[/QUOT

Many countries have a Senate and a supreme court, nothing all that unique or original.

[chuckr]

Originally Posted by yeloya

Well I think it's time to terminate this thread, at least as far as I am concerned.
We discussed archeology, right to be armed and finally religions.


Back to the subject, Turkey is safe (only as much as anywhere else) , at least for cruisers. All of you are invited to have free beer in our marina, if you choose to come to Marmaris..

Cheers

Yeloya

This thread has gotten totally out of control - moderator please shut it down as it has gone way beyond where it should have gone

Yeloya we may be down to spend the winter there next year as I think as much as we like Kusadasi the marina has become a Kusadasi boat only marina with little for the cruising sailor -- we will start looking for a marina sometime in July or August assuming we are sailing the area we plan to sail this coming summer

[weavis]

We did ask nicely for the thread to go back on track.