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TheSeawolf · 15-05-2021, 09:22

I think it is very unlikely the border will open before September. The US move to allow vaccinated people not to wear masks without any real form of identification will most certainly lead to another massive outbreak due to the the anti masker vaxers. Very foolish decision.

davefromoregon · 15-05-2021, 09:26

Unfortunately, it is as I mentioned in the original post. I “heard” something from a friend. I do not have a real source. I figured there were a lot of people here who are intensely interested in what is going on. My hope is/was that if there were something to it, you guys would know.

Scorpius · 15-05-2021, 09:40

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Originally Posted by LittleWing77

SO cynical, Mr. O'Reilly!

So accurate Mr. O'Reilly!

Scorpius · 15-05-2021, 09:46

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Originally Posted by davefromoregon

Unfortunately, it is as I mentioned in the original post. I “heard” something from a friend. I do not have a real source. I figured there were a lot of people here who are intensely interested in what is going on. My hope is/was that if there were something to it, you guys would know.

The US may open its borders to us - but I doubt Canada will open for visitors anywhere near that soon. We lag quite far behind the US in vaccination rates and the pandemic rages on in many parts of Canada. Also I agree with a previous comment that the changes to the masking rule by the US CDC will lead to the anti-vaxers also discarding their masks and very likely could lead to a big resurgance of infections going into the summer.

I'll do the Broughtons (again!) for you if you wish

Boatyarddog · 15-05-2021, 10:06

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Originally Posted by GWilly

If you “heard” something, please provide a source, rather that just throwing out speculation. It’s not helpful at all. Thanks.

Seriously, A Rumor?
LOL

larsfforsberg · 15-05-2021, 11:10

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

The US may open its borders to us - but I doubt Canada will open for visitors anywhere near that soon. We lag quite far behind the US in vaccination rates and the pandemic rages on in many parts of Canada. Also I agree with a previous comment that the changes to the masking rule by the US CDC will lead to the anti-vaxers also discarding their masks and very likely could lead to a big resurgance of infections going into the summer.

I'll do the Broughtons (again!) for you if you wish

As an "anti-vaxer" I can tell you that us non-sheep never wore the masks anyway, so a "masking rule" change will not affect anything. The CDC recommendations will never matter to me. I simply will not comply with their rules that make no sense. If the rules made logical sense, I'd comply, but wearing masks outside? Locking yourself indoors? That's insane - never going to do that.

Redline452 · 15-05-2021, 11:18

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Originally Posted by larsfforsberg

As an "anti-vaxer" I can tell you that us non-sheep never wore the masks anyway, so a "masking rule" change will not affect anything. The CDC recommendations will never matter to me. I simply will not comply with their rules that make no sense. If the rules made logical sense, I'd comply, but wearing masks outside? Locking yourself indoors? That's insane - never going to do that.

Then, respectfully, please stay on your side of the border.

ArmyDaveNY · 15-05-2021, 11:21

Please note that the shots being provided in the U.S. are NOT vaccines. They are gene therapy. They do NOT prevent anyone from getting the virus nor do the prevent anyone from spreading it. What they do however is reduce or eliminate symptoms of those who do get it.

Regardless of how many people get the shots, it may ultimately make no difference in when the borders are opened or the rules relaxed. Mike's comment is spot on and as elections approach I think Mike's comment will become more and more the case (here in the U.S. too!).

Boatyarddog · 15-05-2021, 11:21

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Originally Posted by larsfforsberg

As an "anti-vaxer" I can tell you that us non-sheep never wore the masks anyway, so a "masking rule" change will not affect anything. The CDC recommendations will never matter to me. I simply will not comply with their rules that make no sense. If the rules made logical sense, I'd comply, but wearing masks outside? Locking yourself indoors? That's insane - never going to do that.

There you have it!!

This is Why we're not opening sooner, antivaxxers keep the economy and the public locked down. Spreaders

They don't want to help anyone but themselves.
Selfish! IMHO

ArmyDaveNY · 15-05-2021, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Boatyarddog

This is Why we're not opening sooner, antivaxxers keep the economy and the public locked down. Spreaders

They don't want to help anyone but themselves.
Selfish! IMHO

I have to respectfully disagree with you based upon the science. I was just in Florida for almost five weeks and they are open for business. They shut down for a couple of weeks so that their medical facilities weren't over burdened, however once they took a look at the total situation, they opened up and didn't kill their economy, while taking a targeted approach. They are doing much better than here in the People's Republic of New York both economically and from a death toll. Here in NY, our rules made no sense at all. There are other states that are experiencing similar results. California has the strictest lock down rules of all and they are among those with the most problems.

We must remember that most people are at exceptionally low risk and that the overwhelming majority of people who die are those with multiple underlying conditions. Also, the overwhelming majority of those who had it had zero or occasionally very mild symptoms.

Having said all of this, if someone is afraid and they want to wear a mask, they have a right to. If it makes them feel better, then even better.

larsfforsberg · 15-05-2021, 11:33

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Originally Posted by Scorpius

The US may open its borders to us - but I doubt Canada will open for visitors anywhere near that soon. We lag quite far behind the US in vaccination rates and the pandemic rages on in many parts of Canada. Also I agree with a previous comment that the changes to the masking rule by the US CDC will lead to the anti-vaxers also discarding their masks and very likely could lead to a big resurgance of infections going into the summer.

I'll do the Broughtons (again!) for you if you wish

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Originally Posted by Redline452

Then, respectfully, please stay on your side of the border.

I already had the "deadly" virus, so I'm not the problem, sounds like you may be the problem. Please stay on the North side, and be very afraid

Scorpius · 15-05-2021, 11:39

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Originally Posted by larsfforsberg

As an "anti-vaxer" I can tell you that us non-sheep never wore the masks anyway, so a "masking rule" change will not affect anything. The CDC recommendations will never matter to me. I simply will not comply with their rules that make no sense. If the rules made logical sense, I'd comply, but wearing masks outside? Locking yourself indoors? That's insane - never going to do that.

I like the two of three rule: Any two of: outdoors, wear a mask, and social distance. You don't have to wear a mask if you are outdoors and social distancing. You should wear a mask indoors. You shoul wear a mask outdoors if you can't social distance.

I just don't understand anti-vaxers - and I know a few of them. Covid-19 has killed hundreds of thousands. The vaccines are knocking it down. Look at the plummeting case numbers in the US where most people are getting vaccinated. If we can get 80%+ of the population vaccinated we can kill this disease. But if we can't, it will become endemic: controllable, but always there, like the flu.

I had the vaccine the first day it was available to my age group. Those new micro-needles they are using now are like acupuncture needles: you don't even feel them going in. I was a little tired the next day but other than that, no side effects.

We knocked out smallpox and polio with vaccines. We controlled mumps, whooping cough, diptheria, measles and a host of other diseases. What's the big objection this time?

I expect there may be a few Darwin awards given out.

Scorpius · 15-05-2021, 11:40

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Originally Posted by larsfforsberg

I already had the "deadly" virus, so I'm not the problem, sounds like you may be the problem. Please stay on the North side, and be very afraid

Since you've aimed this at me, I'll reply. Of what should I be very afraid?

larsfforsberg · 15-05-2021, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Boatyarddog

There you have it!!

This is Why we're not opening sooner, antivaxxers keep the economy and the public locked down. Spreaders

They don't want to help anyone but themselves.
Selfish! IMHO

Yeah, that's why the "public" is "locked down". Who is locked down? Please think for yourself. I really don't mean to be mean....but holy cow, the blissful ignorance is insane. By now most people have had "the covid" whether they felt it or not, so this nonsense is just that. You'll be fine. Relax, go for a walk outside, and get some sunshine and vitamin D. The regulations are government created, illogical nonsense. Do you really think that a sailboat cruising from Seattle to Alaska is going to spread covid? Really? Are people dropping like flies from this thing? Again, I had covid worse than anyone I've ever talked to, met, or know....it sucked, but that's it. You are far more likely to spread covid than me. Just stay at home and be very afraid of your neighbor....he's the boggieman!