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S/V Illusion · 18-01-2019, 07:35

Climate change has been observed continually for centuries. Actually, for millennia. Nothing new about it.

Kenomac · 18-01-2019, 07:38

Here’s a useful observation: I expect our boat to float on top of the water no matter what the sea level happens to be.

iyamwhatiyam · 18-01-2019, 09:14

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Here’s a useful observation: I expect our boat to float on top of the water no matter what the sea level happens to be.

The only "settled science" here is the immutability of human nature.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta.../#7a6b958f27ba

MarAzul · 25-01-2019, 15:57

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Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

Climate change has been observed continually for centuries. Actually, for millennia. Nothing new about it.

wd4h · 25-01-2019, 17:21

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NoShoes · 26-01-2019, 06:33

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Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

Climate change has been observed continually for centuries. Actually, for millennia. Nothing new about it.

My feelings exactly. Well said, and lets move along.

Just remember, no matter what, everything on this planet goes extinct or evolves(mutates) eventually, just ask the dinosaurs...oh wait...did they cause climate change in their time with flatulence?

people have been sailing the oceans for centuries, and thus adjusted considering conditions without ALL the fancy do-dads we have today, so why should it matter about climate change, sail when u have a window, or be dock queen. No matter 1000 years ago to today, the ocean is still as unforgiving.

franksingleton · 26-01-2019, 08:18

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My feelings exactly. Well said, and lets move along.

Of course, climate has always been changing. BUT, we are now in uncharted waters compared to anything over the past 800,000 years. We have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by over 40%. That is increasing the heat in the climate system above pre-industrial levels. CO2 has a very long lifetime in the atmosphere. That means that further warming is certain whatever we do. That is basic physics. In a previous post, I called a flywheel effect.

What you and I do not know is how much warmer will our climate become. The question really is, do we sit back and just hope? Or, for the sake of future generations, do we take the science seriously? We cannot stop further warming. We may be able to limit it. We should be thinking about adaptation. It has been said that the next major war will be about resources. Global warming brings that closer.

Given that conditions in the amosphere are unprecedented over the last 800.000 years, is there really an opti0n? You may think so. That is your right. Others are more far seeing.

**newhaul** · 26-01-2019, 08:40

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Of course, climate has always been changing. BUT, we are now in uncharted waters compared to anything over the past 800,000 years. We have increased CO2 in the atmosphere by over 40%. That is increasing the heat in the climate system above pre-industrial levels. CO2 has a very long lifetime in the atmosphere. That means that further warming is certain whatever we do. That is basic physics. In a previous post, I called a flywheel effect.

What you and I do not know is how much warmer will our climate become. The question really is, do we sit back and just hope? Or, for the sake of future generations, do we take the science seriously? We cannot stop further warming. We may be able to limit it. We should be thinking about adaptation. It has been said that the next major war will be about resources. Global warming brings that closer.

Given that conditions in the amosphere are unprecedented over the last 800.000 years, is there really an opti0n? You may think so. That is your right. Others are more far seeing.

just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
There are many who question the accuracy of the flawed co2 concentrations in ice cores .

They don't match with plant stoma.
https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/20...-stomata-wuwt/

Then there is simple diffusion that would explain the basically same numbers throughout the Holocene .
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/...-rate-problem/

Then there is the microbial activity from within the ice itself
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/...n-from-within/

I still contend it has more to so with the activity or lack thereof of the sun and cosmic forces than anything man can/ has done to date.
The planet is cooling as we type.

franksingleton · 26-01-2019, 10:39

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just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
There are many who question the accuracy of the flawed co2 concentrations in ice cores .

They don't match with plant stoma.
https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/20...-stomata-wuwt/

Then there is simple diffusion that would explain the basically same numbers throughout the Holocene .
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/...-rate-problem/

Then there is the microbial activity from within the ice itself
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/...n-from-within/

I still contend it has more to so with the activity or lack thereof of the sun and cosmic forces than anything man can/ has done to date.
The planet is cooling as we type.

Can you give me peer reviewed papers in reputable publications? I cannot take seriously somecwho quotes Watts.

**newhaul** · 26-01-2019, 11:05

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Can you give me peer reviewed papers in reputable publications? I cannot take seriously somecwho quotes Watts.

perhaps you Should look at theend peer reviewed publications that are linked in the various reports like I do .
Its not my job to do your work for you .

Another fact of the MMGWC attack the poster without verifying the data

Btw we are cooling as I have stated we would ..
Frank you should know that as a weather guesser its hard to forecast a few days out let alone several years..
We have been cooling since the end of the modern grand solar maximum.and if not for " the strongest El Nino on record " in 2015 we would already be below the average temperature.

Btw no El Nino this year as I said last spring on another MMGW thread that eventually got deleted.

regex · 26-01-2019, 11:14

Good lord. Note to self: Do not talk about politically divisive topics on these forums. This entire thread reads as a novella of geopolitical emotions. For gods sake.

franksingleton · 26-01-2019, 14:56

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perhaps you Should look at theend peer reviewed publications that are linked in the various reports like I do .
Its not my job to do your work for you .

In other words you cannot quote reviewed papers

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Another fact of the MMGWC attack the poster without verifying the data

Btw we are cooling as I have stated we would ..

Clearly a self delusionist.

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We have been cooling since the end of the modern grand solar maximum.

Oh! See https://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/pr...p/ann_wld.html

Well, if you cannot accept fact. End of story.