Honda 2000 built in.

[warrior 90]

Originally Posted by newhaul

all fine exceptp t for one minor part ( unless they changed it recently ) The 12v puts out a constant amperage no regulator therefore you can cook your battery if your not careful.

To be honest You took me by surprize. How can they forget.
I don´t know...let´s check

2000 DC OPERATION Page 26
http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/...s/31Z07610.pdf

Damn
The DC receptacle should ONLY be used for charging 12-volt automotive type batteries. The DC charging output is not regulated.
Automotive type batteries ? ...... I would say ALL TYPES OF BATTERIES

Any DOCs they fixed it ?

2200 DC OPERATION Page 38
http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/...X31Z446010.pdf

NOT REGULATED !!!! THEY DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM

THXs Defender...... fried eggs YES
fried batteries NOººººººº
(well, with Lithium there is the BMS .... BUT why creating risk that can be avoided ?)


OK, Page 74
DC OUTPUT 12 V - 8,3 Amp
That´s not worth while the hassle for Battery charging

CHANGE OF PLANS !

> BATTERY CHARGING ONLY BY.............................
Nº 2 AC main bus bar or to isolated inverter/charger with power assist DC

> ELIMINATE DC BATTERY CHARGING AND CHANGE TO........
Nº 4 DC main bus bar ONLY

OK,resolved
Well, actually not all batteries. With Lithium there is the BMS.
But why creating additional risk factors if it can be avoided ?

Anything else You can think of ?

_______ NEXT STEP Nº 2 _______________________

Now we have to put something over / around the whole thing for protection while not using the GEN.... light, removable, box type to protect, Hahaha against... EARTHQUAKES

Sun light-UV/Temperature/Heat/Marine environment Water, Salt , Humidity//INSPECTORS// !!! Thiefs !!!

to be made from

Wood: easy to work, needs paint, maintenance > medium weight
GFC: needs advanced skill, needs mold, needs paint > light weight
Aluminum: needs medium skills, can be brazed > light weight
Stainless Steel: needs advanced skills, heavy tooling > heavy
Mixed construction: advanced materials, Starboard, etc

Well, for the sake of the project

Building a frame with angle profile aluminum = easy to get = cheap
The panels with aluminum sheet/plate and brazed to the frame. Yeah piece of cake........ watch.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k21JDVdGalY

( there is a also a second YT,working with irregular shapes, get a BETTER BLOW TORCH )

OR

Let´s change the alu panels.They are kind of a hassle, running around and small quantity = expensive.
How about an old glas window and vacuum bagging down some fiber glas/carbon to the surface with the shop vac.
Let´s tape an old cloth-towels-curtain whatever around the edges of the window and a blower type heater underneath the glass for temp control and heat the glass for curing. (misting the cloth with water will further enhance the effect)
Yeah, a little messy but works like a charm, any thickness of plate, flat, straight, solid like a rock, can be machined with regular hand tools, and surface quality superb like a mirror = ready to paint with UV protection

Now we attach the panels to the aluminum frame. What do You think ... How about with rivets or screws ? ...or maybe 5200 or VHB tape ?....well anything but NO rattling and vibe transmission.

And then we latch it down to the pad and over the GEN so it is sealed but can also be easy removed.
You think that will look good and satisfies the fancy tastes so far ?

You have any further ideas/ improvements on the materials to be used and construction type?

Well, maybe we should paint it red for the inspectors.


Next Step

________ STAGE Nº1 ___________________________


Well, let´s find a flat surface where we can mount the whole thing down

Ohhh NO, we forgot all about it. Now we can only run the GEN when taking off the cover. Hell, that is the end of the world. .....
What are we going to do now ?

Well, that´s usually what all the guys do that don´t wanna complicate their life. They just put it somewhere, plug IN and pull the rope.

Well, at least now we got it strapped down and it looks good

Honda says: EU2200i offers great fuel efficiency. Runs 3.2 to 8.1 hours on a single tank, depending on the load. This makes it great for overnight power.

Well, so actually we are good. When the boat is cooled down the thermostat of the Aircon throttles back and so does the Honda and start ECO humming. The batteries are also full from Solar and without the brutal hungry Aircon they most likely will also be in a good mood till next morning, Right ?

And when the tank is empty the AirCon shuts down and it´s quiet
Cool, so now we could actually some kind of time it with the quantity of the fuel, Right ?

The FUMES, the NOISE ?
Well, I suppose when the AirCon is running all the doors and windows are closed or the AirCon does not make much sense, RIGHT ?
I hope , till now we are still safe from hurricanes and earthquakes with all the blessings etc.
What do You think ? Can we enjoy a cool blonde inside while ALL the hatches/windows and doors are closed ?

I think at this point it needs a few thoughts to reflect, Right ?

________ NEXT STEP ___________________________

So today we have cloudy skies and we need some back up to charge the batteries ?....with ALL open hatches/windows and doors
Well, that will limit the location of our flat surface to a part of the boat where the fumes don´t represent HAZARD.
Yeah, that is still stage Nº 1. Problem resolved and we are still legal. The cover is off..... only inspector.... BRAIN WITH COMMON SENSE

Now we might have to fill that tank every day. That is a little more tricky because we want a fixed location and we also want easy filling of the tank, Right ?

Well, there is the BBQ on one side. How about a little 47 Lbs Gen on the other side ?
Maybe another good location could be ride under the gooseneck with the wide side of the gen in direction to the bow and 2 supports bolted to the cabin roof.
In both cases there is a hinge and the cover is not loose and folds down.

Honda says: very compact in size, measuring 20.2 inches in length, 11.4 inches in width, and 16.7 inches in height"

I can´t imagine that 11,4"+ cover will interfere with the head sails with any significance,
BUT how about routing the wires ?

> All attachment points with rubber cushions to avoid contact with the vibrations of the GEN.

> It´s RAINING ?¿?..... a light attached cover of canvas stored inside the box while not used will do the trick to avoid direct exposure while allowing full airflow.

newhaul, and what do You think ?
How about some Rock n Roll and listen if there are some more creative ideas for our flat and LEGAL surface with a REMOVABLE cover ?

BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT STAGE
Hahaha, let´s enjoy that cool beer before we invite the devil inside

[weavis]

Originally Posted by warrior 90

To be honest You took me by surprize. How can they forget.
I don´t know...let´s check

2000 DC OPERATION Page 26
http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/...s/31Z07610.pdf

Damn
The DC receptacle should ONLY be used for charging 12-volt automotive type batteries. The DC charging output is not regulated.
Automotive type batteries ? ...... I would say ALL TYPES OF BATTERIES

Any DOCs they fixed it ?

2200 DC OPERATION Page 38
http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/...X31Z446010.pdf

NOT REGULATED !!!! THEY DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM

THXs Defender...... fried eggs YES
fried batteries NOººººººº
(well, with Lithium there is the BMS .... BUT why creating risk that can be avoided ?)


OK, Page 74
DC OUTPUT 12 V - 8,3 Amp
That´s not worth while the hassle for Battery charging

CHANGE OF PLANS !

> BATTERY CHARGING ONLY BY.............................
Nº 2 AC main bus bar or to isolated inverter/charger with power assist DC

> ELIMINATE DC BATTERY CHARGING AND CHANGE TO........
Nº 4 DC main bus bar ONLY

OK,resolved
Well, actually not all batteries. With Lithium there is the BMS.
But why creating additional risk factors if it can be avoided ?

Anything else You can think of ?

_______ NEXT STEP Nº 2 _______________________

Now we have to put something over / around the whole thing for protection while not using the GEN.... light, removable, box type to protect, Hahaha against... EARTHQUAKES

Sun light-UV/Temperature/Heat/Marine environment Water, Salt , Humidity//INSPECTORS// !!! Thiefs !!!

to be made from

Wood: easy to work, needs paint, maintenance > medium weight
GFC: needs advanced skill, needs mold, needs paint > light weight
Aluminum: needs medium skills, can be brazed > light weight
Stainless Steel: needs advanced skills, heavy tooling > heavy
Mixed construction: advanced materials, Starboard, etc

Well, for the sake of the project

Building a frame with angle profile aluminum = easy to get = cheap
The panels with aluminum sheet/plate and brazed to the frame. Yeah piece of cake........ watch.....

( there is a also a second YT,working with irregular shapes, get a BETTER BLOW TORCH )

OR

Let´s change the alu panels.They are kind of a hassle, running around and small quantity = expensive.
How about an old glas window and vacuum bagging down some fiber glas/carbon to the surface with the shop vac.
Let´s tape an old cloth-towels-curtain whatever around the edges of the window and a blower type heater underneath the glass for temp control and heat the glass for curing. (misting the cloth with water will further enhance the effect)
Yeah, a little messy but works like a charm, any thickness of plate, flat, straight, solid like a rock, can be machined with regular hand tools, and surface quality superb like a mirror = ready to paint with UV protection

Now we attach the panels to the aluminum frame. What do You think ... How about with rivets or screws ? ...or maybe 5200 or VHB tape ?....well anything but NO rattling and vibe transmission.

And then we latch it down to the pad and over the GEN so it is sealed but can also be easy removed.
You think that will look good and satisfies the fancy tastes so far ?

You have any further ideas/ improvements on the materials to be used and construction type?

Well, maybe we should paint it red for the inspectors.


Next Step

________ STAGE Nº1 ___________________________


Well, let´s find a flat surface where we can mount the whole thing down

Ohhh NO, we forgot all about it. Now we can only run the GEN when taking off the cover. Hell, that is the end of the world. .....
What are we going to do now ?

Well, that´s usually what all the guys do that don´t wanna complicate their life. They just put it somewhere, plug IN and pull the rope.

Well, at least now we got it strapped down and it looks good

Honda says: EU2200i offers great fuel efficiency. Runs 3.2 to 8.1 hours on a single tank, depending on the load. This makes it great for overnight power.

Well, so actually we are good. When the boat is cooled down the thermostat of the Aircon throttles back and so does the Honda and start ECO humming. The batteries are also full from Solar and without the brutal hungry Aircon they most likely will also be in a good mood till next morning, Right ?

And when the tank is empty the AirCon shuts down and it´s quiet
Cool, so now we could actually some kind of time it with the quantity of the fuel, Right ?

The FUMES, the NOISE ?
Well, I suppose when the AirCon is running all the doors and windows are closed or the AirCon does not make much sense, RIGHT ?
I hope , till now we are still safe from hurricanes and earthquakes with all the blessings etc.
What do You think ? Can we enjoy a cool blonde inside while ALL the hatches/windows and doors are closed ?

I think at this point it needs a few thoughts to reflect, Right ?

________ NEXT STEP ___________________________

So today we have cloudy skies and we need some back up to charge the batteries ?....with ALL open hatches/windows and doors
Well, that will limit the location of our flat surface to a part of the boat where the fumes don´t represent HAZARD.
Yeah, that is still stage Nº 1. Problem resolved and we are still legal. The cover is off..... only inspector.... BRAIN WITH COMMON SENSE

Now we might have to fill that tank every day. That is a little more tricky because we want a fixed location and we also want easy filling of the tank, Right ?

Well, there is the BBQ on one side. How about a little 47 Lbs Gen on the other side ?
Maybe another good location could be ride under the gooseneck with the wide side of the gen in direction to the bow and 2 supports bolted to the cabin roof.
In both cases there is a hinge and the cover is not loose and folds down.

Honda says: very compact in size, measuring 20.2 inches in length, 11.4 inches in width, and 16.7 inches in height"

I can´t imagine that 11,4"+ cover will interfere with the head sails with any significance,
BUT how about routing the wires ?

> All attachment points with rubber cushions to avoid contact with the vibrations of the GEN.

> It´s RAINING ?¿?..... a light attached cover of canvas stored inside the box while not used will do the trick to avoid direct exposure while allowing full airflow.

newhaul, and what do You think ?
How about some Rock n Roll and listen if there are some more creative ideas for our flat and LEGAL surface with a REMOVABLE cover ?

BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT STAGE
Hahaha, let´s enjoy that cool beer before we invite the devil inside

Just one vital question.

What beer?

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Guy’s calm down.
What you guys, many of you anyway fail to realize that as long as it’s not installed your most likely OK from a rules standpoint.

However when you install it, then it has to meet standards, and it doesn’t, start with the fuel system, even the hoses don’t, then go from there.

Any electrical energy source connected to a boat is covered by “ABYC E11 - AC and DC Electrical Systems on Boats. The key issue is grounding the neutral connection, and maintaining only one such connection at the source, at any given time.

The instant one encloses a gasoline fuel tank and/or engine, a whole pile of standards apply.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by warrior 90

To be honest You took me by surprize. How can they forget.
I don´t know...let´s check

2000 DC OPERATION Page 26
http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/...s/31Z07610.pdf

Damn
The DC receptacle should ONLY be used for charging 12-volt automotive type batteries. The DC charging output is not regulated.
Automotive type batteries ? ...... I would say ALL TYPES OF BATTERIES

Any DOCs they fixed it ?

2200 DC OPERATION Page 38
http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/...X31Z446010.pdf

NOT REGULATED !!!! THEY DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM

THXs Defender...... fried eggs YES
fried batteries NOººººººº
(well, with Lithium there is the BMS .... BUT why creating risk that can be avoided ?)


OK, Page 74
DC OUTPUT 12 V - 8,3 Amp
That´s not worth while the hassle for Battery charging

CHANGE OF PLANS !

> BATTERY CHARGING ONLY BY.............................
Nº 2 AC main bus bar or to isolated inverter/charger with power assist DC

> ELIMINATE DC BATTERY CHARGING AND CHANGE TO........
Nº 4 DC main bus bar ONLY

OK,resolved
Well, actually not all batteries. With Lithium there is the BMS.
But why creating additional risk factors if it can be avoided ?

Anything else You can think of ?

_______ NEXT STEP Nº 2 _______________________

Now we have to put something over / around the whole thing for protection while not using the GEN.... light, removable, box type to protect, Hahaha against... EARTHQUAKES

Sun light-UV/Temperature/Heat/Marine environment Water, Salt , Humidity//INSPECTORS// !!! Thiefs !!!

to be made from

Wood: easy to work, needs paint, maintenance > medium weight
GFC: needs advanced skill, needs mold, needs paint > light weight
Aluminum: needs medium skills, can be brazed > light weight
Stainless Steel: needs advanced skills, heavy tooling > heavy
Mixed construction: advanced materials, Starboard, etc

Well, for the sake of the project

Building a frame with angle profile aluminum = easy to get = cheap
The panels with aluminum sheet/plate and brazed to the frame. Yeah piece of cake........ watch.....

( there is a also a second YT,working with irregular shapes, get a BETTER BLOW TORCH )

OR

Let´s change the alu panels.They are kind of a hassle, running around and small quantity = expensive.
How about an old glas window and vacuum bagging down some fiber glas/carbon to the surface with the shop vac.
Let´s tape an old cloth-towels-curtain whatever around the edges of the window and a blower type heater underneath the glass for temp control and heat the glass for curing. (misting the cloth with water will further enhance the effect)
Yeah, a little messy but works like a charm, any thickness of plate, flat, straight, solid like a rock, can be machined with regular hand tools, and surface quality superb like a mirror = ready to paint with UV protection

Now we attach the panels to the aluminum frame. What do You think ... How about with rivets or screws ? ...or maybe 5200 or VHB tape ?....well anything but NO rattling and vibe transmission.

And then we latch it down to the pad and over the GEN so it is sealed but can also be easy removed.
You think that will look good and satisfies the fancy tastes so far ?

You have any further ideas/ improvements on the materials to be used and construction type?

Well, maybe we should paint it red for the inspectors.


Next Step

________ STAGE Nº1 ___________________________


Well, let´s find a flat surface where we can mount the whole thing down

Ohhh NO, we forgot all about it. Now we can only run the GEN when taking off the cover. Hell, that is the end of the world. .....
What are we going to do now ?

Well, that´s usually what all the guys do that don´t wanna complicate their life. They just put it somewhere, plug IN and pull the rope.

Well, at least now we got it strapped down and it looks good

Honda says: EU2200i offers great fuel efficiency. Runs 3.2 to 8.1 hours on a single tank, depending on the load. This makes it great for overnight power.

Well, so actually we are good. When the boat is cooled down the thermostat of the Aircon throttles back and so does the Honda and start ECO humming. The batteries are also full from Solar and without the brutal hungry Aircon they most likely will also be in a good mood till next morning, Right ?

And when the tank is empty the AirCon shuts down and it´s quiet
Cool, so now we could actually some kind of time it with the quantity of the fuel, Right ?

The FUMES, the NOISE ?
Well, I suppose when the AirCon is running all the doors and windows are closed or the AirCon does not make much sense, RIGHT ?
I hope , till now we are still safe from hurricanes and earthquakes with all the blessings etc.
What do You think ? Can we enjoy a cool blonde inside while ALL the hatches/windows and doors are closed ?

I think at this point it needs a few thoughts to reflect, Right ?

________ NEXT STEP ___________________________

So today we have cloudy skies and we need some back up to charge the batteries ?....with ALL open hatches/windows and doors
Well, that will limit the location of our flat surface to a part of the boat where the fumes don´t represent HAZARD.
Yeah, that is still stage Nº 1. Problem resolved and we are still legal. The cover is off..... only inspector.... BRAIN WITH COMMON SENSE

Now we might have to fill that tank every day. That is a little more tricky because we want a fixed location and we also want easy filling of the tank, Right ?

Well, there is the BBQ on one side. How about a little 47 Lbs Gen on the other side ?
Maybe another good location could be ride under the gooseneck with the wide side of the gen in direction to the bow and 2 supports bolted to the cabin roof.
In both cases there is a hinge and the cover is not loose and folds down.

Honda says: very compact in size, measuring 20.2 inches in length, 11.4 inches in width, and 16.7 inches in height"

I can´t imagine that 11,4"+ cover will interfere with the head sails with any significance,
BUT how about routing the wires ?

> All attachment points with rubber cushions to avoid contact with the vibrations of the GEN.

> It´s RAINING ?¿?..... a light attached cover of canvas stored inside the box while not used will do the trick to avoid direct exposure while allowing full airflow.

newhaul, and what do You think ?
How about some Rock n Roll and listen if there are some more creative ideas for our flat and LEGAL surface with a REMOVABLE cover ?

BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT STAGE
Hahaha, let´s enjoy that cool beer before we invite the devil inside

better to mount on stern deck and run an exhaust extension down the stern to just above the water. Wrap itis in header tape . Also having the aft panel of the enclosure easily removable for ventilation and maintenance ( just like the old Intel FTP servers were designed. ) add in a couple of hinged hatches in the top . One over the pull cord and the other over the fuel fill cap .

Mount on stern due to the majority of the time using it the vessel will be anchored nose to the wind.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by weavis

Just one vital question.

What beer?

depends on where you are . Myself on the Pacific it would be Sapporo or Kirin
But IMO never tiger .

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

Interestingly .....you'd think there were never gas engines and fuel tanks in boats.....

Yes.

And every manufacturer assures they are compliant with all of these standards so they don’t get there posterior sued off.

When the boater chooses to modify the manufacturers vessel design, such as when permanently installing a generator, they are responsible for ensuring the vessel still meets the applicable standards.

Many DIYers don’t even have a clue the standards exist let alone how to comply with them.

Hence, the reason for my original post in this thread.

[weavis]

Originally Posted by newhaul

depends on where you are . Myself on the Pacific it would be Sapporo or Kirin
But IMO never tiger .

I like Tiger..

But .......... I would drink Singha as a light refreshment any day...

[a64pilot]

Forget the DC side, it’s not even worth messing with, it’s output power is almost non existent, maybe 6 amps or something, and who knows what the voltage is, maybe 14V?

Just use the AC power to run your shorepower charger, then you have real power and proper three stage charging.

Only thing the DC side is good for is you can hook a Hobbs meter to it and track hours.
Of course many tachometer / hour meters are available that sense engine running and RPM inductively off the plug wire and are powered by a coin cell, so you don’t need that little DC connection for anything.

The Companion generator, the one with the 30 amp plug in it that fits your shorepower cord doesn’t even have the DC output.

The 30 amp plug is better in my opinion than the normal 20 amp plug because it locks in and won’t come loose as easy and of course loose means high residence, which means heat and a burnt plug.

To make a Honda compliment first I’m sure the fuel hoses aren’t, then I’m sure it’s not Ignition protected, and you can’t make it so, then the grounding issue, followed by there is no flame arrestor on the carburetor, and of course the exhaust.

What is insurmountable to me is the ignition protected, you can’t make it ignition protected, now what that means is an ignition protected system is one that won’t cause an explosion in an explosive atmosphere, like gas fumes. Even if you could determine you made it ignition protected, you couldn’t certify it.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

Any electrical energy source connected to a boat is covered by “ABYC E11 - AC and DC Electrical Systems on Boats. The key issue is grounding the neutral connection, and maintaining only one such connection at the source, at any given time.

The instant one encloses a gasoline fuel tank and/or engine, a whole pile of standards apply.

Your conclusions are not at all clear from the wording of ABYC E11 that Gord posted above. This section appears to apply only to permanent as opposed to portable installations, which is exactly the distinction Newhaul and others have been making. But like I said it's not entirely clear so it shouldn't be represented as such. Specifically, take a look at the definitional section in 11.4, particularly bolded notes 1-7 which follow the stated definiton of "Ignition Protected." These ABYC links are from 2003, btw, so perhaps you or Gord can post some updated ones. Who knows, perhaps the issue of portable gas generators has now been addressed.

When interpreting these provisions, it should also be noted that an exception is made under DC electrical systems for gas-powered outboard engines, provided they meet the stated criteria (no connected wiring below decks). See 11.2.1. This may imply that above-deck portable generators are similarly exempt, especially if they are connected through shore power receptacles. This is supported by 11.17.1.1 which seems to make the standards applicable only to "permanent" installations.

When one encloses a gasoline tank and/or engine, you are correct that additional safety standards should apply, but it's unclear whether those are standards which are recommended by the ABYC or are mandatory per regulatory bodies. Again, cautioning people is one thing, but suggesting they are violating mandatory safety requirements and/or could be sued is quite another. At least based on the standards & regs presented thus far. If anyone has a different understanding based on updated standards/regs, then by all means. (But kindly consider starting a new thread).

[Exile]

For all those with ABYC certifications:

"ABYC Members receive free online access to Standards - Please login on homepage."

https://abycinc.org/store/ViewProduct.aspx?id=7068336

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by weavis

I like Tiger..

But .......... I would drink Singha as a light refreshment any day...

well it is better than San magoo
Singha isa a good refreshing beer if you are just wanting to Fillmore on the after deck

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by Exile

For all those with ABYC certifications:

"ABYC Members receive free online access to Standards - Please login on homepage."

https://abycinc.org/store/ViewProduct.aspx?id=7068336

As I stated many posts back and provided the link to the ABYC website.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

As I stated many posts back and provided the link to the ABYC website.

Well then, it shouldn't be difficult at all to copy & paste the relevant updated standards on portable gas generators you claim exist, and have so confidently been chiding people who you claim don't follow. All I've been able to uncover are quite dated, and seem ambiguous at best. As you well know, it's $50 for a member of the public to purchase, but your ABYC membership allows you to download a pdf for free. Maybe more recent revisions will actually support your representations. Entirely up to you of course, but it might be an opportunity to contribute something worthwhile to the discussion (beyond mere opinion that is) whether the applicable standards have changed or not.

[a64pilot]

I don’t think you guys are understanding or perhaps you may just not want to.
The title of this thread is Honda 2000 built in. It is not Honda 2000 portable
If or when you “build it in” it’s not a portable generator anymore, it becomes subject to the rules and regulations of a built in generator, cause you “built it in”

Now why am I adamant about that? It’s because many people read these threads, you may be astonished how many if you knew, and we can’t or shouldn’t let them go away with the understanding that doing so isn’t first illegal in the US without meeting a bunch of regs, at least one I maintain that you can’t unless you get a statement from the manufacturer, and if you don’t it would most likely invalidate any Insurence if there were an incident.

Then lastly it’s against forum policy if not actual rules to allow posts that propose or support doing something illegal, and while I’m no marine generator expert, I have been in Aviation maintenance for decades and can tell you that a CFR, is a CFR and that ignorance is no excuse for the law.

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by Exile

Your conclusions are not at all clear from the wording of ABYC E11 that Gord posted above. This section appears to apply only to permanent as opposed to portable installations, which is exactly the distinction Newhaul and others have been making. But like I said it's not entirely clear so it shouldn't be represented as such. Specifically, take a look at the definitional section in 11.4, particularly bolded notes 1-7 which follow the stated definiton of "Ignition Protected." These ABYC links are from 2003, btw, so perhaps you or Gord can post some updated ones. Who knows, perhaps the issue of portable gas generators has now been addressed.

When interpreting these provisions, it should also be noted that an exception is made under DC electrical systems for gas-powered outboard engines, provided they meet the stated criteria (no connected wiring below decks). See 11.2.1. This may imply that above-deck portable generators are similarly exempt, especially if they are connected through shore power receptacles. This is supported by 11.17.1.1 which seems to make the standards applicable only to "permanent" installations.

When one encloses a gasoline tank and/or engine, you are correct that additional safety standards should apply, but it's unclear whether those are standards which are recommended by the ABYC or are mandatory per regulatory bodies. Again, cautioning people is one thing, but suggesting they are violating mandatory safety requirements and/or could be sued is quite another. At least based on the standards & regs presented thus far. If anyone has a different understanding based on updated standards/regs, then by all means. (But kindly consider starting a new thread).

Nice try, no cigar.

ABYC standards are very clear on this matter.

Marine standard application cannot be “implied”.

They are very specific and reference very concise definitions of what they refer and apply to.

Based on my study, training, practical application, and certifications, I know that the exemption you referenced has absolutely nothing to do with portable generators.

But if there is a case where a member is unsure if or how a standard applies, they can request an official interpretation.