500: Lagoon 500 Nearly Sunk

[Palarran]

This is just my opinion and a generalization but if you took someone without any sailing knowledge and sailed with them for a week straight, they would have 80% of the knowledge needed to "sail". The next 15% could take 10 years to learn and the last 5% most sailors will never know if they have. The last 5% is what happens when S#^T hits the fan and how you react.

[doocruiser]

after chopping up the floating dinghy rope with the dinghy outboard prop several times,the local captain replaced it with very thick non floating rope.during a short coastal trip relocating to another location this rope wrapped around the port sail drive and ripped it out.taking on water, he beached it sometime between high and low tide.the aft port bulkhead failed and the port pontoon filled.the tide went out which now is after dark.the capt abandoned the boat without doing anything,left it sitting with the big hole hole in the port pontoon which was by now full of water.the tide came back in which was bigger than the previous day,it did not float because the port hull was full,water breached the bridgedeck and flooded the starboard pontoon.the aft port bulkhead is being replaced.i believe had this happened at sea she would be on the bottom !

[OKCUBye]

after chopping up the painter with the dinghy outboard several times, you'd think any idiot would learn the FIRST rule of painters:

Your bow rope should never be longer than your dinghy minus 1 foot. Then it can't be caught in the dinghy's own prop. A towing line (true painter as opposed to a bow rope) should be attached separately if you're going to tow at a long distance. However, towing with your short bow rope would almost ensure that your bow rope/painter is not long enough to get under your main boat to a prop.

I know of an instance where a fisherman's bow rope got caught in his outboard prop so tight that he couldn't lift the engine to cut it free, and he couldn't reach under his bow far enough to cut it there, either. He fell in the water trying to reach to the prop to cut the rope, and died of hypothermia by the time a nearby boat fished him out (cold water up here in Canada!).

[timandchanel]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lagoon...394038623/view

I saw this from Twixter:

[barnakiel]

In a situation like this it is better to quickly flip the boat upside down. We all know too well from other threads that UPTURNED cats definitely do not sink (which makes them THE boats to go for).

b.

[roverhi]

"UPTURNED cats definitely do not sink (which makes them THE boats to go for)."

The above is not the most brilliant statement I've heard. Just because a cat may not sink doesn't make them the boat to go for. If they didn't go tits up in the first place, their claim to unsinkability would be largely mute. Had an acquaintance go missing and his crew get tangled in the rigging and drown when his trimaran permanently exposed the bottom paint. Little consolation to them and their relatives that the boat didn't sink. Their is something to be said for ultimate stability even if it means the boat is not unsinkable.

[sww914]

I'm pretty sure Barnakiel was using sarcasm. I'm not sure why.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by sww914

I'm pretty sure Barnakiel was using sarcasm. I'm not sure why.

I bet he is the noisy, sarcastic type. The muratic acid in the plumbing, the kraken in the underbrush ...

Another explanation could be that the rum is gone ...



Cheers,
b.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

I bet he is the noisy, sarcastic type. The muratic acid in the plumbing, the kraken in the underbrush ...

Another explanation could be that the rum is gone ...



Cheers,
b.

That appears to be only a monohull that is being attacked. I have therefore nicknamed that Kraken "Factor"

[SuenosAzules]

Amen Daddle.. LOL.. I have seen two things (mostly in my years in the Coast Guard, stationed at small boat stations) that sink boats.

1. Seacocks left in the open position when the boat is unattended and they sink at the docks they are tied to. The Seacocks most times are so corroded they are actually stuck in the open position even as people try to close them to save the boat!

2. Overall carelessness. Many boats that have loose gear and lines in the water will foul props, tear struts, and pull away sail drives that allow water to enter the boat. You must keep your awareness up all the time when running and maintaining a boat!

Anyway good comments on this thread. The Lagoons in my opinion are great cats!!! Love them, and take any chance to sail one!

[impi]

Originally Posted by timandchanel

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lagoon...394038623/view

I saw this from Twixter:

This is interesting.... I lost my engine mounts after 1st year. Totally sheared off an replaced by Yanmar. Did it at my cost as I didn't want to complain to lagoon about another problem .....
Any more info on this?

[cll2]

I realize this is a pretty old thread but here is a summary of all that happened including the legal resolution to date.

http://www.lagoonlitigation.com

[Emmalina]

Having been to view one of these things I can honestly say No Thanks.

[minaret]

Originally Posted by cll2

I realize this is a pretty old thread but here is a summary of all that happened including the legal resolution to date.

Lagoon Litigation | The facts, the litigation, the arbitration and issues.

Thanks for posting that. Fascinating and revealing stuff. I wish cases like this were able to be publicly revealed more often, it happens far more often than most are aware. A very sad, but predictable, outcome. Actions like this are the only thing which might eventually keep them honest. Plaster the web with it!

[belizesailor]

Wow, great case to illustate why towing is a bad idea. A friend had a similar accident towing on a mono.

Wonder what they were using for towing line...obviously way over rated for the job!