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Old 15-03-2024, 12:33   #76
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Re: Marinas using cameras for rules enforcement

Kettlewell is RIGHT. Glad to hear someone of my background speak up. We are not anti establishment; just want things simple. Thanx.
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Re: Marinas using cameras for rules enforcement

I wish there was a land rule that if your dog in the backyard barks all the time when I am in MY backyard that you had to keep your dog inside YOUR house all the time.

Dog owners ruin it for other dog owners. Just like boaters ruin it for other boaters. When you put the two together .............
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Old 15-03-2024, 15:48   #78
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Though it may not apply in this particular case, marinas near international borders need to be especially rigorous on the "no animals" issue. So the "petty rule" may be driven by Government policy.
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Old 15-03-2024, 15:51   #79
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Kettlewell is RIGHT. Glad to hear someone of my background speak up. We are not anti establishment; just want things simple. Thanx.
I am anti establishment.
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Old 15-03-2024, 16:21   #80
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Once upon a time my marina put up cameras due to some break ins. There were many liveaboards there. There were many bars in the neighborhood that we all used as club houses. After a bit we witnessed marina management watching the previous evenings coming home events on tape every morning. Not for security but for fun. AMong the things they were laughing at was who was coming home with who and similar. It didn't take long. Just a bit later someone stole the entire security system. The thing is that there was no sign of anyone breaking in. the entire thing just disapeared. Just a suggestion.
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Old 15-03-2024, 16:22   #81
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Re: Marinas using cameras for rules enforcement

A marina has the right to ban pets, and I have the right to go to a different marina.

That said, I have a camera on my boat, and it made it amazingly easy for me to get a less-than-scrupulous contractor to compensate me when I showed him that his technician had, in fact, caused the damage that I claimed he had.

If I have a camera on my private property (my boat) to protect my interests, it's hard to denounce a marina owner who does the same.
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Old 15-03-2024, 18:42   #82
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Nah, **** pets. **** dog and cat **** everywhere.
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Old 15-03-2024, 19:17   #83
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Many marinas now have cameras but this is the first report of using them to enforce rules. Most are there to discourage thefts and detect boats coming in to dock after closing time then leaving early to avoid paying the dock fees.
What's the world coming to?
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Old 15-03-2024, 19:38   #84
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What's the world coming to?

Could it be a government sponsor program?

I see cameras were I live recentely. Where’s the money and why it was allocated makes me wonder in my environment.
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Old 15-03-2024, 21:26   #85
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Last summer a fellow boater was singled out by management for violating the marina's unusually strong blanket prohibition on pets. Management is rarely on site and only became aware of the violation by reviewing camera footage.

I find this to be a disturbing extension of a societal trend; many apartment and condo managers have started using cameras not for safety or for investigation of criminal acts but rather for enforcement of petty rules against their own residents, particularly residents that they find unprofitable or burdensome for reasons unrelated to the actual rules violation being enforced.


Every marina I've stayed at has a long list of rules that are not universally followed, among them restrictions on maintenance and repair, limits on guests, limits on parking, and in some cases curfew times after which access to and from the marina is closed whether by land or sea. In essence everyone who uses their boat regularly is in violation some of the time.


Wondering if others are encountering this brave new world.
Time to cast out of there.
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The issue of banning pets in the marina - I have mixed feelings. I have a service dog so, he is not a pet - not by legal definition (in the US), nor in actual fact. So, a pet ban does not negatively affect me. In fact, it would make my life easier.

My dog is exceptionally well-behaved and always on-leash at the marina. The leash is not for him - he doesn't need it. It is because there is a rule (for good reason) that dogs be on-leash at the marina and it would be unfair of me to expect an exception just because I happen to know that my dog doesn't "need" to be on-leash.

Yet, despite this rule, more often than not, if we encounter another dog at the marina, they are not on-leash. It infuriates me because it makes my job and my dog's job harder. The assurance from the dog's owner that, "Oh, he's friendly" sorely misses the point as the dog runs up to my dog who is trying to do his job.

(By the way, this is a misdemeanor.)

Staff has gotten pretty strict about enforcing dog rules, when they see issues. Frankly, I wish they would use camera footage to crack down on it. I want people to be able to bring their dogs, but they need to follow the rules whether they agree with them or not. Failure to do so actually puts me in a certain amount of physical danger, if my dog is distracted by another dog that is running free.
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Old 17-05-2024, 06:22   #87
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Re: Marinas using cameras for rules enforcement

At my marina a large dog , unleashed, ran across the parking lot and jumped on me, scaring the living sht out of me. The owner didn't think it was a big deal untill I told her I was once attacked by a dog when I was a kid delivering newspapers......

I love kids, but I cannot tolerate undisiplined kids, especially when they are screaming in a supermarket or sitting behind me on an airplane, fighting, kicking the seat back and slamming the drink table up & down.

I love dogs, but at the same level of kids. Some dog owners seem to think that dogs have the same "rights" as humans, that they have the right to run free in the marina or sit on deck all day barking at everything that passes by....

They do not.

Like the old adage: "One person's rights end where another person's rights begin."

The same for dogs and their owners..

My two cents

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