A Little Boat

[Harre D'Aleigh]

amen to clockwork's post, times a thousand.

[marcodnn]

Originally Posted by Harre D'Aleigh

amen to clockwork's post, times a thousand.

Hi Harre,
i saw the pembroke, was quiet in good condition, was not love at first sight tho, nice boat and now i want look at more option to make a decision. Next week im viewing a shipman 28 and maybe a benatou 25. Which of the 3 would u recommend?
Many thanks
Marco

[Harre D'Aleigh]

Originally Posted by marcodnn

Hi Harre,... Which of the 3 would u recommend?
Many thanks
Marco

I think you may have confused me with one of them that knows something, among whose august number I do not count myself. Fair winds to you in your search, all the same.

[OErjan]

HEH, uhm, define small and anywhere. smallest I have heard of that has circumnavigated was the BRIS, less than 6m long spritsailrigged thing, that is hard to beat in my book.

[marcodnn]

Originally Posted by Harre D'Aleigh

I think you may have confused me with one of them that knows something, among whose august number I do not count myself. Fair winds to you in your search, all the same.

definetely! haha

[marcodnn]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Yes, but in no particular order. Westerly head linings were foam backed and glued on. So after 20 plus years the foam breaks down and the head linings fall down leaving the glue and some foam behind. A horrible time consuming job to sand the glue away before re-fixing the head linings. However, for the main cabin some 1/4" batten sprung into place will hold it in place.

The engine is getting on a bit and won't be cheap to replace, so warrants a good look over. However, our Volvo 2003 is now 22 years old and I am expecting it to go on for some years yet, so don't right it off if it runs well.

The early Centaurs had a problem with the a chain plates that support the sides of the mast were placed above a one of the square forepeak port holes which caused cracking. Later Centaurs had the problem resolved possibly by different shaped ports. That said the pembroke appears to have the chain plates through further back on the main cabin top. Something to read up on the owners association perhaps.

Then there is the general stuff. The extra sails could be useful so open them up and the ones on the mast to check condition. Crispy white is good, soft is not, as there is a resin that is lost with age in dacron sails.

The electronics look a little dated but will get you going and could be changed long term, just make sure they work by turning them on, in fact do it to all the electrical items.

Taste the water out of the tank, drinkable is good.

Fuel tank steel by chance? good condition or a rusty mess? £400 plus for new one.

Lift the carpet and the sole and have a look at the bilges. Probably full of water and if so why? the stern gland and leaks are the answer. Does the boat feel damp? any mildew? not the end of the world but needs sorting by ventilating and removing water. Do take a torch and mirror and look in every single locker and behind panels with the mirror. Flush the loo!

Is the life raft included? when last serviced? when was the rigging last changed, factor £1200 if its over 10 years.

Those cushions don't look original, could be a bonus, foam is really expensive.

If you can talk to the owner ask about insurance and mooring costs etc.

Now, having said all that, for the price it looks a good buy. Your inspection plus that of a surveyor at £400 should confirm that.

Finally take a camera because it will record details you will forget in the excitement.

Pete

Hi Pete,
i saw the pembroke, was quiet in good condition, was not love at first sight tho, nice boat and now i want look at more option to make a decision. Next week im viewing a shipman 28 and maybe a benatou 25. Which of the 3 would u recommend?
Many thanks
Marco

[stratosailor]

marcodnn, Again, I don't have any first-hand experience with the Shipman 28, however I just read an owner-opinion on another forum. To sum up:

Nice looking boat from all angles. Fast, close-winded, nice sailing boat. Structurally sound boat. The trade-off for speed (believe me, there are always trade-offs) is that it is a little cramped for a boat of that water-line length.

There are two Beneteau 25's that I am aware of; the Beneteau First 25 which was built from 1979-1984 and the Beneteau 25 which was built beginning in 1996. I'm not very familiar with either of these boats but the 25 is a racing boat with a fin keel with a bulb on the end of it. Not much room below at all, not ideal unless you're strictly into racing.

You may be more attracted to the look of a boat like the Shipman since you said the Westerly Pembroke did not inspire you. But personally I find the Westerly quite handsome since that's the type of boat that appeals to me. The lines of a boat are very subjective and you really have to follow your heart. Just make sure you listen to your head too. Find a boat that makes your heart go pitter-patter and at the same time is a good, seaworthy design and you'll have something!

I know some of the Shipmans were actually built in Ireland and there is a big following there which could be a plus. If you don't require a lot of cabin space, this could be the boat for you.

Again, good luck!

[marcodnn]

Originally Posted by stratosailor

marcodnn, Again, I don't have any first-hand experience with the Shipman 28, however I just read an owner-opinion on another forum. To sum up:

Nice looking boat from all angles. Fast, close-winded, nice sailing boat. Structurally sound boat. The trade-off for speed (believe me, there are always trade-offs) is that it is a little cramped for a boat of that water-line length.

There are two Beneteau 25's that I am aware of; the Beneteau First 25 which was built from 1979-1984 and the Beneteau 25 which was built beginning in 1996. I'm not very familiar with either of these boats but the 25 is a racing boat with a fin keel with a bulb on the end of it. Not much room below at all, not ideal unless you're strictly into racing.

You may be more attracted to the look of a boat like the Shipman since you said the Westerly Pembroke did not inspire you. But personally I find the Westerly quite handsome since that's the type of boat that appeals to me. The lines of a boat are very subjective and you really have to follow your heart. Just make sure you listen to your head too. Find a boat that makes your heart go pitter-patter and at the same time is a good, seaworthy design and you'll have something!

I know some of the Shipmans were actually built in Ireland and there is a big following there which could be a plus. If you don't require a lot of cabin space, this could be the boat for you.

Again, good luck!

thank u,
the westerly was a good boat, ill visit this one next week and ill have an idea which one i prefer. The beneteua 25 was the first one, read the official site and they were claiming they were the biggest in the world!
cheers

[perchance]

Originally Posted by SabreKai

Grampian 26.

I've heard of them cruising from Toronto down the ICW to the Carib many times. At the moment there are 7 listed in Yachtworld, mostly in Canada but some in the States. Their price is now too low to interest most brokers unless the owner is willing to cough up $2500 to the broker, regardless of the selling price. I found this out when I tried to sell mine 3 years ago.

Good little boat, very fast, good for two for long term living if you like it cozy, ok for 4 for a week or so. Come in either inboard or outboard type, and are pretty solid. I've had mine out in 40kn winds without any problems



Sorry for the pic quality, it was taken in 79. My first Grampian. I've owned two, some 15 years apart.

I second the Grampian. I have only had mine for three years but it is a solid and forgiving little boat. I don't see why they couldn't be beefed up to go anywhere. I think they built around one thousand of these and they were quite popular in their time. Most of them are still sailing out there somewhere.

[SlimRick]

I had a look at a lovely Albin Vega recently on the West Coast of Scotland - looks like it's been reduced recently too:
Albin Vega
More info about this particular one here:
http://www.albinvega.co.uk/pdf/dumbea.pdf

Not connected in any way with the seller, just passing on info.

I ended up choosing an Achilles 840 as it seemed a little roomier inside, a lovely boat and handles the rough very well. If you can find a good one then I think it would suit very well.
This one has been on the market for a while - I'm sure suitable offers would be considered.
Achilles 840

[Skip20]

North Sea 27, Pacific Seacraft is a stoutly built boat. Used Hurley Yachts, built and sailed primarily in Britain are proven articles as well. Open ocean sailing requires a waterline of at least 21' to limit somewhat the incessant battering movement that tires crew so quickly.

[zeta]

Falmouth Cutter--22ft of sailing porn!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Skip20

North Sea 27, Pacific Seacraft is a stoutly built boat. Used Hurley Yachts, built and sailed primarily in Britain are proven articles as well. Open ocean sailing requires a waterline of at least 21' to limit somewhat the incessant battering movement that tires crew so quickly.

I'll second the Hurley's from the 22ftr upwards... also a big fan of the Westerlies... owned and sailed both in heavy weather..

[Skip20]

Is the Cutter an oceangoing boat? I've only seen two on rivers. Nice looking period craft, but I wouldn't be caught out in open water. Sailing porn! :~D

[Skip20]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I'll second the Hurley's from the 22ftr upwards... also a big fan of the Westerlies... owned and sailed both in heavy weather..

About those Hurley 27's - I've been looking for two years on the east coast for a likely specimen. . .