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Tomm0 · 15-02-2013, 03:36

Torrent, don't download. Wisdom of crowds isn't perfect, but is better than nothing.

scimitar · 15-02-2013, 03:41

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Originally Posted by krissteyn

I also been looking - I dont trust some of the .ru sites (heard lotsa reports about them) and so far have not found a trusted site.

kris

that link, it is not ".ru site". that is "my" cm93 that I uploaded. this is "original" cm93 from the bridge of 50,000 container dutch ship. my friend was second mate there he made copy and brought it for me in march 2011.(and also for his friends in Ijmuiden, Holland).all "pirated" cm93/2 came more or less in the same way.and also do not blame Russian for everything and anything (I am not Russian) first people that I know who started pirating cm93 cd's was duch ang german officers, .

actually, first link that I left on this site was in juny 2011. you can check it. is still around here.

and also have you tried this link that I left, it is clearly not link to any Russian site.

krissteyn · 15-02-2013, 06:07

@ Scimitar : please forgive my etiquette : I am scared of downloading stuff I do not trust - been badly Virused before.

I have searched quite a few sites looking for info and none seem to quite "work" in terms of looking OK or actually downloading without leading me to "other" sites first.

I am quite keen to get the CM93 but only have one laptop left now
Any hints as to which CM93 would actually work for me would be much appreciated and guarantee you free drinks at the bar when we meet :-)

Kris

scimitar · 15-02-2013, 07:21

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Originally Posted by krissteyn

@ Scimitar : please forgive my etiquette : I am scared of downloading stuff I do not trust - been badly Virused before.

I have searched quite a few sites looking for info and none seem to quite "work" in terms of looking OK or actually downloading without leading me to "other" sites first.

I am quite keen to get the CM93 but only have one laptop left now
Any hints as to which CM93 would actually work for me would be much appreciated and guarantee you free drinks at the bar when we meet :-)

Kris

I do not know why I am doing this.....

go on that link that i left earlier and "click""...

click on "continue on external link"

if this apear just close it...(that is bait for stupid people)

click on "regular download"

wait 60 sec.

click on "download the file"

save it where you wont

and wait.....

GrowleyMonster · 15-02-2013, 07:23

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Originally Posted by scimitar

that link, it is not ".ru site". that is "my" cm93 that I uploaded. this is "original" cm93 from the bridge of 50,000 container dutch ship. my friend was second mate there he made copy and brought it for me in march 2011.(and also for his friends in Ijmuiden, Holland).all "pirated" cm93/2 came more or less in the same way.and also do not blame Russian for everything and anything (I am not Russian) first people that I know who started pirating cm93 cd's was duch ang german officers, .

actually, first link that I left on this site was in juny 2011. you can check it. is still around here.

and also have you tried this link that I left, it is clearly not link to any Russian site.

50,000 containers? The world's largest container ship at present, the Emma Maersk at somewhere in the neighborhood of 1300 feet long, can carry I believe 11,000 TEU, equivelant to 11000 20 foot containers. A typical container ship is around 4,000 TEU and the one I am on now is about half that.

Oops... actually there is one bigger, at 16,020 TEU.
World's largest container ship at 396m long arrives in Britain on maiden call carrying thousands of Christmas presents | Mail Online

But thanks for posting that download link. I know that will bring joy to a lot of OCPN users. Only problem is the free access to the link does not work with download managers, and so an interrupted download means start all over again. A lot of cruisers use their cel phone for their internet connection. Maybe someone who has downloaded this can make a torrent?

scimitar · 15-02-2013, 07:37

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Originally Posted by GrowleyMonster

50,000 containers? The world's largest container ship at present, the Emma Maersk at somewhere in the neighborhood of 1300 feet long, can carry I believe 11,000 TEU, equivelant to 11000 20 foot containers. A typical container ship is around 4,000 TEU and the one I am on now is about half that.

Oops... actually there is one bigger, at 16,020 TEU.
World's largest container ship at 396m long arrives in Britain on maiden call carrying thousands of Christmas presents | Mail Online

why you are trying to be smart as...ole.

I thought 50,000 TONS container ship not 50,000 units

and just for the record I have maritime college diploma for deck officers and MASTER MARINER UNLIMITED

my seafarer career started as a third mate in 1976, on 30,000 TONS bulk carrier, probably you haven't even been born back then.

GrowleyMonster · 15-02-2013, 08:45

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Originally Posted by scimitar

why you are trying to be smart as...ole.

I thought 50,000 TONS container ship not 50,000 units

and just for the record I have maritime college diploma for deck officers and MASTER MARINER UNLIMITED

my seafarer career started as a third mate in 1976, on 30,000 TONS bulk carrier, probably you haven't even been born back then.

My, aren't we touchy! I never called your documentation into question, only the 50,000 container ship. If you had said 50,000 TON container ship, I would not have raised an eyebrow. But that's not what you wrote. No need to get all sensitive about it.

BTW my seagoing career began 6 years before yours did. Neener neener neener

GrowleyMonster · 15-02-2013, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Surveyor

Not only are Chilean charts not free, they are priced through the roof!

Brazil and Argentina. Theirs are free for the download.

It's the right thing to do. Let them charge for printing... but allow free downloading.

GrowleyMonster · 15-02-2013, 11:22

I found a torrent for the January 2011 edition that seems to be active. Haven't downloaded it.

Cm93 Januar 2011 (download torrent) - TPB

In U.S. waters you are good to go with the NOAA ENC and RNC charts, which are free from the site. You can also order them on DVD from various resellers, for a very small price, if you can't be bothered with downloading.

Lake-Effect · 15-02-2013, 12:23

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Originally Posted by Bruce626

I am sure that there is a reason, but what I don't understand is why the cruising community doesn't begin to compile a database from which to make their own open source charts.

I can think of ONE - trustworthiness and liability. OK, that's TWO.

I do think we need to have a source for charts that are reasonably above reproach, and for the moment, i think the charts provided by responsible governments are the best we've got. Can you imagine the repercussions if someone comes to harm over using community-made charts?

But like everyone I do like additional and 'crowd-sourced' info to augment the charts. Such as a good cruising guide. Given the prevalence of GPS, I think that there's increased value to chartmakers to accept public commentary (like reporting a new hazard), even if they check it out themselves before incorporating the info.

It's easily possible to overlay additional info over official charts, to get the best of both worlds. I guess it just requires creating and publishing a standard. The OpenCPN project is in a good position to implement such a standard.

Re free and pirated charts... a tough subject. I do think that there is a net public benefit to making electronic copies of government charts free, as the US has. Charging for quality paper copies is a no-brainer. And there would still be a market for companies to sell electronic or paper charts with enhanced graphics and more info.

dizzysailing · 16-07-2013, 07:07

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Originally Posted by scimitar

I do not know did you "find" it in mean time.

just in case here is link

CM93 January 2011

DepositFiles

thanks for that mate, just trying to download now.

Don't know how you helping fellow sailors out could turn into a row, but that's the internet for you. I appreciate your help, even if others would rather be petty wind-up merchants!!

peace

S

Syserenity · 18-07-2013, 13:57

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Originally Posted by malukusailor

I know I know , how can anyone be this dumb. Nice new note book, downloaded open cpn, got gps input, but where oh where are the charts that everyone talks about but never quite gives the info to get them.
Take pity on a poor Luddite.

If still needed, send me an Email to lehmannhr@gmail.com. I just downloaded the CM93 Ed2 Dec2011/Jan 2012. So, could share....

chala · 06-09-2013, 05:42

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Originally Posted by gravosa

chala,
that's depend what you mean "pirated". my cousin is second mate on the 50,000 container ship (dutch flag). he made copy of ships ORIGINAL jeppesen CM93 (january 2011) cd/dongle (worldwide coverage) and gave it to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scimitar

that link, it is not ".ru site". that is "my" cm93 that I uploaded. this is "original" cm93 from the bridge of 50,000 container dutch ship. my friend was second mate there he made copy and brought it for me in march 2011.(and also for his friends in Ijmuiden, Holland).all "pirated" cm93/2 came more or less in the same way.and also do not blame Russian for everything and anything (I am not Russian) first people that I know who started pirating cm93 cd's was duch ang german officers, .

actually, first link that I left on this site was in juny 2011. you can check it. is still around here.

and also have you tried this link that I left, it is clearly not link to any Russian site.

curious.