Rocna Recall - China vs Canada Quality Comparison

[AllezCat]

Just received a new rocna 110
west marine said there is no problem.
was shipped from Canada.
Should be non Chinese batch.
How could I tell?
thx

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by foggysail

Now who is kidding whom??? You paid $732 US for a 44# Rocna and I paid $688 for an 80# Manson Supreme??? Heck even without a sale price, the 80# Manson can be had for $750 US.

I think I got the best deal ever

[hoolie]

Originally Posted by AllezCat

Just received a new rocna 110
west marine said there is no problem.
was shipped from Canada.
Should be non Chinese batch.
How could I tell?
thx

I think they've all been made in China for the last three years.
If it's of recent manufacture then it will NOT be the sub-standard 420Mpa steel that's been the cause of the emotive threads on various forums. I'm sure you can take West Marine at their word.

[Cormorant]

Originally Posted by AllezCat

Should be non Chinese batch.
How could I tell?
thx

Might be interesting to give Delfin's nail-punch test a try.

[GeoPowers]

Nice!

[marinextreme]

Originally Posted by AllezCat

Just received a new rocna 110
west marine said there is no problem.
was shipped from Canada.
Should be non Chinese batch.
How could I tell?
thx

It will be chinese and certainly looks like it from enlarging the photo.

They are all shipped from china to Suncoast in Canada for distribution.

Even in mid 2010 they were still 420 and were laminated shanks, edge welded and ground back.

Nail punch it on the flat of the shank and you will soon get a fair indication of what it is made of.

The certification drawings approved for the 110kg specified Bis80 precisely and the much touted seabed tests for certification undertaken in NZ in December 2008 used a NZ made Bis80 shanked 110kg model.

You obviously have a large vessel for this size anchor and if it requires a certified anchor then you need to ask very serious questions as these are not safe in these bigger sizes if they are not of the required standard of shank.

If anything does happen and your insurance company investigates and you have not fully satisfied yourself as to the strength of your anchor then unfortunately they will gladly decline any claim you make as you are obviously aware of the various discussions and twisted announcements surrounding the shank materials and risk factors.

If you are still prepared to take it at face value then you at least should obtain a guarantee from the distributors for potential loss in the future, however there is more at risk that just property.

[s/v 'Faith']

Originally Posted by congo

Hi Colemi.

There were approx six photo's posted on a forum quite some time back,they should be tracable but I have better thing s to do with my time.....

Try this; Rocna Anchor Fail!

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by cat man do

I think I got the best deal ever

Nice!

[David_Old_Jersey]

Would look good on a Flicka, for a leeshore.....

......just sayin'

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by s/v 'Faith'

Try this; Rocna Anchor Fail!

You know, one thing no one has mentioned...judging by all the bent shanks, you have to admit the holding power of the Rocna is pretty damn good.

[olaf hart]

So Grant, what sort of margin was Rocna making when it sold those 420 anchors?

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

Would look good on a Flicka, for a leeshore.....

......just sayin'

And heres a picture

[s/v 'Faith']

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

You know, one thing no one has mentioned...judging by all the bent shanks, you have to admit the holding power of the Rocna is pretty damn good.

Sure, nearly as good as a Manson Supreme, but then the Manson has a proper shank...

[JonJo]

They could have a competition at Boat Shows - see if anyone can actually tell the difference between the holding capacity of a Supreme and Rocna. Ignoring the fact that 50% ought get it right. And ignoring the fact that if you ask Rocna you will get a specially tuned anchor. Buit I do not think any yachtsman could tell the difference, except you have a more relaxed sleep with a Supreme, and (from all reports) you probably will not have paid as much (for the Supreme).

[AllezCat]

Originally Posted by marinextreme

It will be chinese and certainly looks like it from enlarging the photo.

They are all shipped from china to Suncoast in Canada for distribution.

Even in mid 2010 they were still 420 and were laminated shanks, edge welded and ground back.

Nail punch it on the flat of the shank and you will soon get a fair indication of what it is made of.

The certification drawings approved for the 110kg specified Bis80 precisely and the much touted seabed tests for certification undertaken in NZ in December 2008 used a NZ made Bis80 shanked 110kg model.

You obviously have a large vessel for this size anchor and if it requires a certified anchor then you need to ask very serious questions as these are not safe in these bigger sizes if they are not of the required standard of shank.

If anything does happen and your insurance company investigates and you have not fully satisfied yourself as to the strength of your anchor then unfortunately they will gladly decline any claim you make as you are obviously aware of the various discussions and twisted announcements surrounding the shank materials and risk factors.

If you are still prepared to take it at face value then you at least should obtain a guarantee from the distributors for potential loss in the future, however there is more at risk that just property.

I gave it a little wack with my leatherman marlin spike - left a little indent.
Emailed Rocna - they confirmed it to be the "steel called for in the manufacturing specifications".
I believe them - but then again I believe a lot of things...

where is the "nail punch" post? - I looked everywhere...