Yachties deported from NZ

[Boatguy30]

I meaning the native language here in French Polynesia, which would be most useful if looking to live here long term

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

I meaning the native language here in French Polynesia, which would be most useful if looking to live here long term

Ah, my mistake, this thread refers to NZ. In French Polynesia the dominant native language is Tahitian. Shares many words and phrases with other Polynesian languages such as Te Reo. Not an official language though.

[Tillsbury]

Originally Posted by fxykty

Losing your son in a horrible accident and wanting to get to New Zealand to sell your boat so your family can go back home to the UK and try to restart your lives is not enough for a humanitarian exemption. Horrible story and I can’t even imagine what they’re going through.

Grieving UK family stranded on yacht refused NZ entry after son killed in speedboat accident
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic...ectid=12371591

But it does sound like having at least one New Zealand citizen on board is enough to get an exemption. Maybe that’s a small business model?

Hopefully after the election the government will stop being so poll-driven and will use actual risk to determine entry by yachts?

You should read more of the article. They were in fp and their son was killed, which is a terrible thing indeed. And they flew back to the UK in August for his funeral.

But then, in the current situation, they decided to fly from the UK to French Polynesia in order to attempt to sail the boat to nz where presumably they think they'll get a better price for it, or can wait out the cyclone season looking for a buyer.

That's nothing to do with a humanitarian need, nor with nz. If you are in the UK and have a million dollar boat in fp then you need to pay someone there to look after it, or get it shipped somewhere else, not start bleating to the press with entirely unrelated sob stories

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by Tillsbury

You should read more of the article. They were in fp and their son was killed, which is a terrible thing indeed. And they flew back to the UK in August for his funeral.



But then, in the current situation, they decided to fly from the UK to French Polynesia in order to attempt to sail the boat to nz where presumably they think they'll get a better price for it, or can wait out the cyclone season looking for a buyer.



That's nothing to do with a humanitarian need, nor with nz. If you are in the UK and have a million dollar boat in fp then you need to pay someone there to look after it, or get it shipped somewhere else, not start bleating to the press with entirely unrelated sob stories

I did read the entire article, thanks. It has to do with NZ as they applied for an exemption to enter NZ and were knocked back. While their case wasn’t much of a humanitarian issue according to the current rules, it does show how stupid the rules are.

As for the family, not unlike other cruisers their only capital asset is their boat. They’re trying to do the best they can for themselves.

And now we hear that the billionaire owners of the AC teams will be allowed in as essential workers.

UK's richest man and Prada owner eligible to apply for 'critical worker' exemption into NZ for America's Cup
https://nzherald.co.nz/business/news...ectid=12372071

I’m starting to come around to the view that money talks. A bit ironic given our current ex-Socialist-Youth-Leader and now Prime Minister’s favourite saying recently has been ‘be kind’.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by fxykty

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I’m starting to come around to the view that money talks. A bit ironic given our current ex-Socialist-Youth-Leader and now Prime Minister’s favourite saying recently has been ‘be kind’.

Well, I didn't know that until you brought it to my attention....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...prime-minister

The whole business now stinks to high heaven in my not so humble opinion.

Maybe by the time this covid thing goes bugger orf the cruising sailors in the SW Pacific will have found a viable alternative option and will all be telling the NZ economy to go f*** its hat .... it would serve NZ right...

[Chuckie]

Get over it, you can gripe protest all you like, throw arguments and polticize the current policy for your own agendas... At the end of the day its done. Nz is a fine country with a good reputation and good governance and decisions made will never be to everyone's liking, both foreigners and kiwis alike. Just stop crapping on us.

[Sunsetter]

I was Expelled from Australia like everyone else on a tourist visa.

**** Australia and NZ.

Not another penny from me.

[double u]

"... their only capital asset is their boat. ..."
if ones ONLY asset is a 55' boat worth 1Million $NZ - the verdict is quite clear...(& if one wants us to believe it were so - too)

[Boatguy30]

We've met plenty of families that sell a home and take the equity and buy a boat. Some finance the boat and then they find out how much insurance is! Of course, more for this generally highly inexperienced types.

Some work remotely, others dip into retirement savings whilst waiting in every port for FedEx parts for systems they don't need that they didn't know how to maintain.

If you haven't noticed some long time cruising families are making "the dream" a cottage industry.

Problem is you're never able to get away from the "Joneses" by going cruising. They just dropped anchor. On their Lagoon 450 in the bay and your son is gripping about their 13' center console rib!

[jeepers]

Originally Posted by Tillsbury

You should read more of the article. They were in fp and their son was killed, which is a terrible thing indeed. And they flew back to the UK in August for his funeral.

But then, in the current situation, they decided to fly from the UK to French Polynesia in order to attempt to sail the boat to nz where presumably they think they'll get a better price for it, or can wait out the cyclone season looking for a buyer.

That's nothing to do with a humanitarian need, nor with nz. If you are in the UK and have a million dollar boat in fp then you need to pay someone there to look after it, or get it shipped somewhere else, not start bleating to the press with entirely unrelated sob stories

TILLSBURY: I cannot find a corroborating article anywhere (including the Nz article you directly quoted) to support your above "story". Please provide a tangible, credible link.
Interestingly these UK people had a different result, ie. law applied than the Germans. The UK citizens were denied entrance into NZ and were not arrested, imprisoned, prejudged, fined (by taxation), confiscated of their possessions, and deported. Like the Germans were. Shame !!!!!

[Boatguy30]

Dude, they are in FP saw them 2 days ago.
YOU obviously didn't read the article.
Crazy time! Hold the SHAME �� buddy!

[jeepers]

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

Dude, they are in FP saw them 2 days ago.
YOU obviously didn't read the article.
Crazy time! Hold the SHAME �� buddy!

My bad...
The subject article was continued some 8-10 pages down lower past a bunch of other articles from the NZ paper and some advertizing.

[El Pinguino]

Ardern is to revisit this case.... Maybe someone whispered in her ear that selling a $1M boat in NZ would put $200k in the government coffers... directo....
Which is probably what would find its way to the government if some superyacht spent $1M on a refit. Yes I know.... I failed economics at school.......

Pretty flakey piece in the Herald...
'"I am going to go back and have a look at that one," she said.

Barbara Genda and Harry Jarman have been stranded in French Polynesia since the death of their son Eddie. They were denied access to New Zealand, where they wanted to dock so they could sail (sic) their boat and fly home.'

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/newsta...K5IAHQA7LFWXA/

Two points... just because you think your boat is worth $1M doesn't mean it will sell for $1M
And also.... boats of that size and price are not that easy to sell anyway ... probably less so in the hermit kingdom where prospective buyers can't get in to the country to either view it or sail away. Buyers would be limited to NZ... it may be a long time on the market.

[Old fella]

Originally Posted by Sunsetter

I was Expelled from Australia like everyone else on a tourist visa.

**** Australia and NZ.

Not another penny from me.

Bye old friend, stay safe.

[grantmc]

There are quite a number of places in Fiji to hide out from the cyclone season. With all the fear that cruisers wanting safe haven in NZ and Oz have expressed through the media, I'm surprised to still see plenty of empty moorings at Vuda, Denarau and Savusavu. All supposedly cyclone safe holes.

And has anyone, just for moment, ever wondered what the locals of Fiji, Samoa, Cooks etc do each year to avoid cyclones? They certainly don't all bleat about needing to evacuate to another country; they stand staunch and suck it up.

And it's not like NZ and Oz are impervious to serious storms, both cyclones from the north and polar vortexes from the south do occur and cause serious damage. They're just far less common.