Yachties deported from NZ

[Boatguy30]

It's a fantasy to think that boat will have 200k duty paid on it in NZ. It's no doubt already owned by a tax haven corporation. The shares of this company will just be sold and it will be "exported" and sailed back and forth every two years.

It's actually quite a shock NZ allows this and there are several inbound "foreign flagged" vessels with all Kiwi crews/ Corp shareholders!
NZ health officials were even kind enough to recently exempt these vessels from the border clearance process!

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

It's a fantasy to think that boat will have 200k duty paid on it in NZ. It's no doubt already owned by a tax haven corporation. The shares of this company will just be sold and it will be "exported" and sailed back and forth every two years.

It's actually quite a shock NZ allows this and there are several inbound "foreign flagged" vessels with all Kiwi crews/ Corp shareholders!
NZ health officials were even kind enough to recently exempt these vessels from the border clearance process!

Show proof for your statements, as what you describe is not legal. And note that the health exemption is for the health order not allowing foreign-flagged boats to enter; it is not an exemption for Immigration entry nor Customs clearance procedures.

If the ownership is with a corporation, NZ Customs do check (first hand knowledge) the owners and beneficiaries of the corporation. If they are NZ residents, then the boat must be imported - it does not get then Temporary Import Exemption.

[Boatguy30]

I thought you said you are an NZ resident and have a TIE?

So you just tell them it's really owned by your dog that sadly couldn't come along to NZ?

[Tillsbury]

Originally Posted by jeepers

TILLSBURY: I cannot find a corroborating article anywhere (including the Nz article you directly quoted) to support your above "story". Please provide a tangible, credible link.
Interestingly these UK people had a different result, ie. law applied than the Germans. The UK citizens were denied entrance into NZ and were not arrested, imprisoned, prejudged, fined (by taxation), confiscated of their possessions, and deported. Like the Germans were. Shame !!!!!

The article says they went to the UK for the funeral.

So what is actually happening is that a UK family, in the UK, chose to fly to FP recently in order to move their boat to NZ for reasons best known to themselves. Now they complain that they aren't allowed to, even though the restrictions were crystal clear while they were still in the UK.

[double u]

what we "gleaned" from FB & the net:
the boat was advertised for sale before the accident
they collected money to fly their sons remains to the UK for burial because they didn't have any (?).
in our own, not totally uninformed opinion:
FP is as safe as NZ in cyclone season, particularly during a La Nina event (which we have right now: ENSO Outlook – an alert system for the El Niño–Southern Oscillation )
Anybody putting ALL their money into a 55' 1M$ yacht* is crazy! One can cruise perfectly fine on 48',& have money left for expenses. On our first rtw in the 80ies we were on a very tight budget (Wharram cat 34'!), but even then we had a "cruisng kitty" (as it was called then).
*I privately think they are lying about that...

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by double u

what we "gleaned" from FB & the net:
the boat was advertised for sale before the accident
they collected money to fly their sons remains to the UK for burial because they didn't have any (?).
in our own, not totally uninformed opinion:
FP is as safe as NZ in cyclone season, particularly during a La Nina event (which we have right now: ENSO Outlook – an alert system for the El Niño–Southern Oscillation )
Anybody putting ALL their money into a 55' 1M$ yacht* is crazy! One can cruise perfectly fine on 48',& have money left for expenses. On our first rtw in the 80ies we were on a very tight budget (Wharram cat 34'!), but even then we had a "cruisng kitty" (as it was called then).
*I privately think they are lying about that...

That is a bit strong...and hardly a 'private thought' when you post it on a public forum.....

Many people have All their money in their home...... but that isn't meant to be taken literaly... it just means one doesn't have another residence in the south of France... a trust fund ... and a few mil invested in the city.

In this case it simply means they need to sell the yacht before they can buy a house.

'FB'?? is that the shining beacon of truth and wisdom that I sometimes hear people speaking about? Well I guess if you heard about all this on 'FB' then it must be true....

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

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Well I guess if you heard about all this on 'FB' then it must be true....

This will depend on whose FB it was. If it is that crew's own FB, then the source is good. If somebody else's then it is not quite as reliable.


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[fxykty]

Originally Posted by double u

what we "gleaned" from FB & the net:
the boat was advertised for sale before the accident
they collected money to fly their sons remains to the UK for burial because they didn't have any (?).
in our own, not totally uninformed opinion:
FP is as safe as NZ in cyclone season, particularly during a La Nina event (which we have right now: ENSO Outlook – an alert system for the El Niño–Southern Oscillation )
Anybody putting ALL their money into a 55' 1M$ yacht* is crazy! One can cruise perfectly fine on 48',& have money left for expenses. On our first rtw in the 80ies we were on a very tight budget (Wharram cat 34'!), but even then we had a "cruisng kitty" (as it was called then).
*I privately think they are lying about that...

I’m not sure that you can write, regardless of the El Niño/La Nina event, that FP and NZ have equivalent cyclone risk. All of FP has had past cyclone activity, though Marquesas and Australs are much less likely, especially in a La Niña event. Only far north NZ has had past cyclone activity - even Auckland hasn’t been directly affected. So you can find plenty of cruising areas, marinas and anchorages through most of NZ that have not ever seen a cyclone. Not so for FP.

That said, FP is one of the safer places to be during the cyclone season and my family way back when spent two cyclone seasons there and weathered a couple - one in the Tuamotus (Fakarava, horrible experience) and one in Taha’a (tied to shore, a bit less scary).

[Jim Cate]

Of course, NZ is subject to non-cyclonic winds of hurricane strength, especially in the southern part. Frankly, when wind speeds exceed 100 knots I don't really care if they are from a cyclone or a squash zone or a polar outbreak or a frontal passage from a deep low.
Being somewhere else is a good plan!

Jim

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Of course, NZ is subject to non-cyclonic winds of hurricane strength, especially in the southern part. Frankly, when wind speeds exceed 100 knots I don't really care if they are from a cyclone or a squash zone or a polar outbreak or a frontal passage from a deep low.
Being somewhere else is a good plan!

Jim

Big wind = bad

Big waves = bad

Big winds and waves = horrifying

[double u]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

This will depend on whose FB it was. If it is that crew's own FB, then the source is good. If somebody else's then it is not quite as reliable.


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if you care to look, El Pinguino, the mother posted everything in detail on the French Poly cruisers FB group. The original appeal for donations has been deleted, but
" Help raise £15000 to facilitate Eddie's return home
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shows that its been there.

Appaling btw the reaction of the authorities in Moorea to the accident: they prohibited anchoring there! (yes, why not use the opportunity when sombody is down to kick him in the teeth! Unreal!)

[fxykty]

Ah, politics. The current prime minister, a few days before an election she’s expected to win in a landslide, is ‘re-visiting’ the issue of the UK family. Sheesh. Jacinda Ardern steps in after UK family whose son was killed by speedboat are refused NZ entry
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic...ectid=12373224

Still no acknowledgement that the health order itself has no basis in actual health. Sigh

[double u]

fxykty: how do you judge the support of NZ's yacht-entry-policiy by the population? The pop in general & the NZ-yachties in particular?

[Olly75]

Originally Posted by double u

fxykty: how do you judge the support of NZ's yacht-entry-policiy by the population? The pop in general & the NZ-yachties in particular?

The not boat industry related Kiwis I've spoken don't really have an opinion either way. The ones in the marine industry were unhappy about it, but since the spring has arrived they are all snowed under (comments like theyve never been busier) as all the boat owning kiwis are getting work done knowing they aren't going to get a holiday this year, so will sail in nz instead.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by double u

fxykty: how do you judge the support of NZ's yacht-entry-policiy by the population? The pop in general & the NZ-yachties in particular?

The few (as possible) people I interact with outside my family seem to fall into two camps: majority that say ‘not NZers, why should we let them in?’ (there’s a substantial anti-immigrant and anti-tourist (that’s the Green’s influence: international tourists are wealthy pricks with huge carbon footprints) elements here), and minority who say ‘there’s no health problem with them, why not?’.

Among yachties, mostly disbelief at how stupid the policy is, though there are some that fall into the majority opinion above.

After the election (tomorrow) maybe the policy will change?