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Old 28-09-2020, 15:58   #1
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Yachties deported from NZ

Looks like NZ is not taking any BS from cruisers trying to break border restrictions!
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Good! I tip my hat to them.
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I believe they are still in police custody.
Interestingly, there is more press and speculation on whether yacht owners that have slipped their yachts into NZ on the 50k refit exemption, will be allowed to come spectate for the AC.

So long story, these German chaps get deported and dings on their travel history for how long? And (potentially) rich guys (and friends/crew) jet in later?

Of course new labour/green government may not be so helpful to rich yacht owners
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There is a problem with the Southern Ocean Cyclone season. Australia and/or NZ are the traditional hideouts though Tahiti/French Polynesia usually don't experience much weather either. If you are a cruiser where are you going to go?? Tonga and Fiji get hit by at least one storm almost every year, Tahiti infrequently. If you're not an independently wealthy cruiser, most are that are out there in 40 plus foot floating condo's are, and your boat is your biggest asset, can't afford or get hull insurance or find a truly hidie hole, you are screwed.

NZ and Australia have shut down their borders to cruisers for no valid reason. With the exception of a fast catamaran or large mono, the boats would be arriving only after a long quarantine at sea so no fear of introducing the virus. In the meantime they allow returning citizens into the country with no quarantine until they are already in country and may have infected others. It's not like NZ and Oz would be overwhelmed with millions of fugitive cruisers as I'd bet the number of cruisers is way down from previous years.

The crime the German's committed is they asked for permission before arriving. That makes the bureaucrats look bad if they allow them to stay.
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... In the meantime they allow returning citizens into the country with no quarantine until they are already in country and may have infected others. ...

Not quite right. All returning citizens/residents are required to enter a managed isolation facility. They are tested on days 3 and 12 - if they test positive then they are moved to a quarantine facility. Learn the facts before making comments https://covid19.govt.nz/travel-and-t...nd-quarantine/

It has taken the government quite a few (too many) months to figure out how to do this securely. Unlike perhaps Sweden and Finland, a high proportion of returning citizens/residents have shown they cannot be trusted to follow the rules themselves, so they now are placed into (sort of) secure facilities for managed isolation and quarantine.
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There is a problem with the Southern Ocean Cyclone season. Australia and/or NZ are the traditional hideouts though Tahiti/French Polynesia usually don't experience much weather either. If you are a cruiser where are you going to go?? Tonga and Fiji get hit by at least one storm almost every year, Tahiti infrequently. If you're not an independently wealthy cruiser, most are that are out there in 40 plus foot floating condo's are, and your boat is your biggest asset, can't afford or get hull insurance or find a truly hidie hole, you are screwed.

NZ and Australia have shut down their borders to cruisers for no valid reason. With the exception of a fast catamaran or large mono, the boats would be arriving only after a long quarantine at sea so no fear of introducing the virus. In the meantime they allow returning citizens into the country with no quarantine until they are already in country and may have infected others. It's not like NZ and Oz would be overwhelmed with millions of fugitive cruisers as I'd bet the number of cruisers is way down from previous years.

The crime the German's committed is they asked for permission before arriving. That makes the bureaucrats look bad if they allow them to stay.
You come into the Australia and it's straight into quarantine, no if's or but's, thats mandatory at a Federal level and you may also have to comply with further requirements from the state and territory governments, thats agreed to before you travel, you don't agree you don't travel.

On arrival you are transported from the airport straight to the nominated quarantine facility, no contact with anyone except the relevant officials whereupon you will be tested on arrival, monitored during and tested again before leaving the facility. I've had a number of friends, work colleagues and 2 family members that have returned to Aus and all have basically had to do the same with most been tested prior to traveling to Aus, thankfully all are healthy.....

While in the beginning many slipped through the cracks and spread the virus (cruise ships mainly) procedures have been re examined and tightened up, and are more importantly, working....

https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...dustry-workers
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Ding on Travel history? What, like you're on an interpol list? I can't imagine there is any ding anywhere but in NZ... someone correct me if they have facts about how passport control systems actually work.


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I believe they are still in police custody.
Interestingly, there is more press and speculation on whether yacht owners that have slipped their yachts into NZ on the 50k refit exemption, will be allowed to come spectate for the AC.

So long story, these German chaps get deported and dings on their travel history for how long? And (potentially) rich guys (and friends/crew) jet in later?

Of course new labour/green government may not be so helpful to rich yacht owners
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Ding on Travel history? What, like you're on an interpol list? I can't imagine there is any ding anywhere but in NZ... someone correct me if they have facts about how passport control systems actually work.
If you have an e-passport, as people from ~120 countries do, and certainly nearly all “first world” citizens do, the first thing that happens when an immigration official holds that passport over an RFID reader is a check of an Interpol database for any “interesting” information about you and/or your passport (are you a fugitive? is your passport reported lost, stolen, or invalid?). The world is pretty connected.

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Looks like NZ is not taking any BS from cruisers trying to break border restrictions!
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No not true.
Like most places it depends how much money you have.
Large motor vessels that cost a lot & are up for repair work ( Probably no checks) are allowed in.
Still gotta do the quarantine but on the boat
Expect a large influx of those sort that will suddenly need repairs around Americas cup time.
All men are equal under the law. Ha ha ha ha.
Yachties that hung out at Minerva reef say for the remainder of quarantine period Na.
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Not quite right. All returning citizens/residents are required to enter a managed isolation facility. They are tested on days 3 and 12 - if they test positive then they are moved to a quarantine facility. Learn the facts before making comments https://covid19.govt.nz/travel-and-t...nd-quarantine/

It has taken the government quite a few (too many) months to figure out how to do this securely. Unlike perhaps Sweden and Finland, a high proportion of returning citizens/residents have shown they cannot be trusted to follow the rules themselves, so they now are placed into (sort of) secure facilities for managed isolation and quarantine.
Exactly. 400 potentially infectious people are allowed to enter New Zealand each day without being even tested and returning a NEGATIVE result before boarding their flight to NZ. Quarantine cost approximately $6000 p.p. covered by government(a small fraction of returning citizens / residents have to co-pay $3000 ONLY if they were recently leaving NZ for business or vacation)

Compared to cruising sailboat crews who have spent months on their yacht in mostly C19 free island nations and additional 8-16 days offshore before arriving in Opua.
A simple test regime on arrival in Opua would confirm their C19 free status to safely enter the country.

If the right people would be part of or consulting the government.
NZ could offer a safe harbour and re-fit facilities, accommodation and more for at least 6 months and get marine businesses going.

It's clear that the crews have to be prepared to stay in NZ. They couldn't leave NZ and then return under current immigration policies.

It's simple as that..
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Dont we have elections soon in the land of the long DARK cloud? Looks to me that Princess Jacinda has to make a lasting impression on her sheep and expell 3 Germans.

Woop woop , the Princess has defended the country against the all mighty FLU.
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There's a lot of nonsense being claimed, including that they intended to spend 50k fixing their boat and they needed to go to nz because of damage rather than Fiji. But they've not convinced anyone and are spending the rest of the week in prison until their flight on Thursday.
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No not true.
Like most places it depends how much money you have.
Large motor vessels that cost a lot & are up for repair work ( Probably no checks) are allowed in.
Still gotta do the quarantine but on the boat
Expect a large influx of those sort that will suddenly need repairs around Americas cup time.
All men are equal under the law. Ha ha ha ha.
Yachties that hung out at Minerva reef say for the remainder of quarantine period Na.
Same rule for everyone. Apply for and receive exemption before you set off. Not that hard to understand.
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Ding on Travel history? What, like you're on an interpol list? I can't imagine there is any ding anywhere but in NZ... someone correct me if they have facts about how passport control systems actually work.
Hello kev_rm,

Actually, there has been computer tracking at least since 1990, when we crossed the pond between the Northern Hemisphere and New Zealang. It had a name like Captain Cook Tracking, or some such. I am afraid that the people who said this will follow those German sailors throughout their sailing careers is correct, even if the boat is sold, subsequently, in New Zealand.

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