NATO Warship Sinks Pirate Mothership

[sigmasailor]

By their actions some living creatures have proven not be human; why should we apply human rights on those creatures?

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by sigmasailor

By their actions some living creatures have proven not be human; why should we apply human rights on those creatures?

To show our humanity perhaps?

[paradix]

Originally Posted by sigmasailor

By their actions some living creatures have proven not be human; why should we apply human rights on those creatures?

Huh? Their actions, however you categorise them - greed, desperation, malice, disregard for laws, aggressive behaviour, lust for wealth, warlike intentions, whetever - are all VERY human.

[sigmasailor]

@bewitched:
Maybe you're right. Next time we catch some: can we sent them your way for aid?

@paradix
I made a general statement which could be applied to other creatures as well; I didn't mean to just refer to pirates. Sorry for that confusion.

[Tropic Cat]

I think the best course of actions for cruisers is to hire mercenary protection. There are security firms who offer this service.

Rather than add personal to the cruising boats, the mercs provide an armed escort. This lends itself to a convoy system where the cost can be shared by a flotilla.

Also, plastic boats make poor defensive positions.

Better to be safe than a statistic.

[Cheechako]

The disappointing thing is I did a search and the pirates have taken a few boats since then already....German and brithish included... the Danes are evidently going to need to sink a lot of motherships....

[wildshore]

Im really surprised the corporations aren't just putting a few armed guards on their ships in the area. Shooting DOWN on a small speedboat from a steel hulled tanker with a 12mm strikes me as something along the 'fish in a barrel' category. Sounds like some rather dumb lowballing....either that or the port of call nations aren't cooperating with allowing armed security types in their own waters.

[wildshore]

Originally Posted by FrankZ

This is a not so gentle reminder. Cruisers Forum does not do politics nor do we do religion.

Thank you for your understanding.

Ill vote for that...amen

[wildshore]

has any one in the forum actually CRUISED this area lately? Just curious what the ports were actually like.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by wildshore

Shooting DOWN on a small speedboat from a steel hulled tanker with a 12mm strikes me as something along the 'fish in a barrel' category.

Ah, you must have missed the "fish in a barrel" episode of the Myth Busters! It turned out that they couldn't hit the fish! It took a mini-gun with 6,000 rounds in the end... which sounds like it would help deal with this pirate problem too.

cheers,
Nick.

[Cheechako]

Yea, RPG's are cheap compared to the millions of lost revenue...unfortunately...then the victims would be the pirates...after all...... the Pirates havent "pirated" yet!

[David M]

You can't proactively take out people who have not committed an act of piracy. They are not pirates until after they have committed an act of piracy.

[hellosailor]

I am reminded of quotes such as Benjamin Disraeli's forced apology to Parliament after he called half of them asses. He replied that half of Parliament were not asses.

That's the difference between genius and our ordinary politician, and why some of these problems are not hard to solve--but it is hard finding anyone who will address solving them.

If one is to believe the Wikipedia, " the issuance of letters of marque and reprisal to private parties was banned for signatories of the Declaration of Paris. The United States was not a signatory to that declaration and is not bound by it."
Letter of marque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the US is not alone in being able to issue said letters, as we once did, allowing a non-military response to piracy.

Of course a military response, at a cost no one wants on their budget line, could include enough drone presence and other tools to track, identify, and attack the pirates, but no one in DC is going to risk disclosing or expending operational capabilities on a petty matter of commerce these days. Unless the inept fools on the hill get together and issue an edict.

Like the Declaration of War on Afghanistan or Iraq...oh, wait a minute, they never got around to issuing one of those either, did they?

Nope, better to send ten bucks to Denmark along with a thank-you note.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by David M

You can't proactively take out people who have not committed an act of piracy. They are not pirates until after they have committed an act of piracy.

Indeed, but being a pirate doesn't stop upon successfully completing the act of piracy, so when the pirate sails out for his next action, he is still a pirate, even though he didn't commit his next act of piracy yet.

Our eyes in the sky can read the news paper that you pickup from your front lawn in the morning and yet, with all that technology and with the hundreds of hostages that have been released who can describe how they look and smell, and with published photographs of these pirates, we are unable to come up with a list of even a single pirate wanted for his crimes.

I am not asking for a deck of cards with the faces of the world's most wanted pirates on the back; just a simple list will do, so that we can send our black ops agents from our governments agencies to go and get them and kidnap them and put them in our secret prisons so that our ships and yachts can safely sail the Indian Ocean and yes, even the Gulf of Aden again.

cheers to that!
Nick.

[senormechanico]

Originally Posted by David M

You can't proactively take out people who have not committed an act of piracy. They are not pirates until after they have committed an act of piracy.

Yeah, and a guy who pulls a gun on a cop who's trying to arrest him is totally innocent?

Sorry, guys with guns, RPG's etc chasing down a ship worth millions aren't representatives of a girl scout troop just trying to sell cookies!