Greta hitches a ride on La Vagabonde

[Stickan]

Originally Posted by Budawang

Climate change denialism is more rife in Anglo Saxon countries because, I believe, these are the most individualistic societies. In a more collectivist society like Sweden, it will be easier to form a general consensus based around logic, reason and what the majority of experts are telling you.

The psychology of climate change denialism is interesting and merits more research. Some psychologists believe the trend to reject expert opinion and scientific consensus, with a corresponding propensity to believe in conspiracy theories or other non-factual constructs, correlates with a growing acceptance of narcissistic behaviour. Societies world wide, but led by the Anglo Saxon countries (e.g. U.S. and Australia), are becoming more "narcissistic" in the sense that narcissistic behaviour is less likely to be condoned and is sometimes even encouraged. The election of a highly narcissistic U.S. president is the obvious example, but there is no shortage of narcissistic politicians and media identities in my own country, Australia.

Thanks for an interesting reply. But Sweden left collective thinking some 40 years ago and is now highly individualistic, but also very secular and I think that is the main reason why we are more prone to accept science. The psychology of climate denialism is likely to be connected to religious beliefs in ethernal life. If you believe in an ethernal life there is less strong need to worry about a catastrophic development on Earth. But if you think that this finite life is all you and your children get, it is less easy to shrug off the talk about Climate crisis.

[conachair]

Originally Posted by atoll

coming up for a period of neap tides in the north atlantic,which generally means less violent weather as tides get smaller.
next spring tides which generally brings more severe north atlantic weather will be as they near europe and the azores .

Tides effect the weather? That's a new one, never heard of that, some time on google coming up - any links to how that works?

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Slips like this reveal just how unsupported your position really is.



Climate change is also increasing the frequency of these weather extremes, in many cases. And it's still early days.



Granted, it's not terribly productive to be wringing one's hands about CC when a bushfire is racing towards you. But neither is denying what is very probably driving the underlying conditions, when it comes to planning.

Andy Pitman, a leading Australian based climate scientist, has publicly stated that there is no direct link between climate change and drought in Australia. So there's one supporter of my "position"

[moseriw]

A few facts:
Atmospheric CO2 convergence is 400 parts per million and equals 0,04 %
and also 4000 molecules out of 10.000.000 wherof 120 are man-made

the clue is: CO2 is climate neutral as there is no evidence of an atmosperic IR-drawback of solar irridiation

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by conachair

Tides effect the weather? That's a new one, never heard of that, some time on google coming up - any links to how that works?

Wind over tide???

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Yep no tampering or corruption in the science going on here. We must believe "the scientists" unquestionably.


p.s. You forgot to include Big Oil's subsidisers. You know, those that fill their boats and cars up with the stuff.

LOL Good one Sir!

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Andy Pitman, a leading Australian based climate scientist, has publicly stated that there is no direct link between climate change and drought in Australia. So there's one supporter of my "position"

I'm not claiming a direct link either. So there's two for you. But there's a trend, whether you want to see it or not.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by conachair

Tides effect the weather? That's a new one, never heard of that, some time on google coming up - any links to how that works?

if you look at a weather map and compare that to a tide map, frontal systems,ridges and troughs will generally follow and run parralell to the incoming tide ,more pronounced effect on west coasts and where there are big tides.

during neap tides there is less movement of water,so lower pressure gradient to push weather systems along
spring tides bring a higher pressure gradient creating more push.

https://sciencing.com/moon-affects-weather-6529673.html

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

I'm not claiming a direct link either. So there's two for you. But there's a trend, whether you want to see it or not.

Then what, in your opinion, was responsible for the intensity of the federation drought of the late 19th century? One where half of Australia's sheep population died, and 40% of its cattle stocks. Climate change certainly wasn't a thing in the supposed goldilocks climate era.

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Wind over tide???

which can very much change the local sea state (not that there's much tidal set mid atlantic) but not the weather - 'next spring tides which generally brings more severe north atlantic weather '
New one, sounds unlikely but might be something in it.

[Stickan]

Originally Posted by moseriw

A few facts:
Atmospheric CO2 convergence is 400 parts per million and equals 0,04 %
and also 4000 molecules out of 10.000.000 wherof 120 are man-made

the clue is: CO2 is climate neutral as there is no evidence of an atmosperic IR-drawback of solar irridiation

?????? The basic research on the green house effect is from 1896, have you missed something? Consult Wikipedia!

From Wikipedia:
In developing a theory to explain the ice ages, Arrhenius, in 1896, was the first to use basic principles of physical chemistry to calculate estimates of the extent to which increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) will increase Earth's surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.[3][22][23]

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Then what, in your opinion, was responsible for the intensity of the federation drought of the late 19th century? One where half of Australia's sheep population died, and 40% of its cattle stocks. Climate change certainly wasn't a thing in the supposed goldilocks climate era.

That really makes no sense. What part of "increased frequency" or "higher probability" is eluding you?

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

That really makes no sense. What part of "increased frequency" or "higher probability" is eluding you?

Dunno. Maybe the lack of increased frequency and higher probability. Why not just address the question?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Dunno. Maybe the lack of increased frequency and higher probability.

Well, ok. If you say so.

[Island Time O25]

I seem to recall a blurb years ago in one of my econ textbooks about a thought/programming experiment conducted in the 1970s. They have input into then most powerful computer as much info about life in NYC in 1900 as was known - population trends, consumption of food/goods, modes of transportations, etc. and projected these into year 1975. The computer, among other results, stated that by 1975 NYC streets will be covered with horse manure 8 feet thick. So much for long term modelling.

IMO the chances of scientists finding better alternatives to fossil fuels are way higher than humanity putting a dent into Earth's climate.