Greta hitches a ride on La Vagabonde

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Here is a fact - your linked article does not contain a single mention of fire.

So I am at a loss to understand its relevance the fire ferocities discussion.

Another fact - the article was written in 1988 and the last mentioned drought was the 82/83 drought.

So it hard to understand how it speaks to current droughts (or fires).

One last fact - career firefighters disagree with your facts.
One of you must be wrong.

You'll need to take your issues up with the ABS. It is their site after all, not mine.


And if you're not capable of making the association between bush fires and drought, you have my sympathy.


But let's say, for the sake of the argument, that the current drought is as bad as the Federation drought was. Guess what? That alone disproves the "climate change caused it/made it worse" argument.


p.s. Have you ever wondered why the BOM ignore years prior to 1910 in their climate graphs? For some odd reason they only start post-Federation.


p.p.s.Your comprehension could be improved, too. The data has a last updated date of 2012.

[HeinSdL]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

You'll need to take your issues up with the ABS. It is their site after all, not mine.


And if you're not capable of making the association between bush fires and drought, you have my sympathy.


But let's say, for the sake of the argument, that the current drought is as bad as the Federation drought was. Guess what? That alone disproves the "climate change caused it/made it worse" argument.


p.s. Have you ever wondered why the BOM ignore years prior to 1910 in their climate graphs? For some odd reason they only start post-Federation.


p.p.s.Your comprehension could be improved, too. The data has a last updated date of 2012.

I also draw some comfort when current events are compared to historical events and the current events are seen as less severe as the historical events. But the issue is that they are all happening simultaneously today. Flooding in Venice is the worst since 1966, fires in Australia are the worst since, what, those in the 80's, temperatures in Europe this summer highest since 2003, it goes on. Not to mentioned temperature records being broken outright. I do think it's worrying.

[BlackKat]

Seems SLVB is definitely jumping on that ship too Sad there channel used to be all about sailing now its all about them Haven't seen a good sailing episode in months.


Should be a 'place product here' show nowPity Nandji took their spoof on this whole thing down...was hysterical

[crankysailor]

Originally Posted by Stickan

I wish that I am wrong but there are absolutely no science data that show Climate Change to be non existent.

And in 5 seconds someone is going to post some pseudo sciency sounding factoid to contradict you. That is the tragedy of this whole thing. While there is consensus in the scientific community that given our current understanding of the earth climate, the likelihood that we are heading into big doodoo is very high and we ignore this at our own peril, factions who don't like the news have managed to create the perception that it is a debatable thing and "the science is still not out". Now the science "could" be wrong but this is rather in the sense that true scientists would never speak in absolute terms but of probabilities given our current understanding. But if the probability is high, we might as well take preventive action like it is going to happen for sure (if there was an 90% chance of a hurricane developing..would you sail into that?)

That said, Greta Thunberg is a very annoying character and you'd think the folks behind her trying to exert change would know better than trying to rally up the masses by adopting a histerical delivery tone which was likely only going to backfire...even if the message is an important one and worth paying attention to.

[boatman61]

Its not the dying voters they're interested in..
Its the new generation 'woke' social network driven narrow perspective believers..
You lot are past the use by date..

[Budawang]

Originally Posted by Stickan

In Sweden there is a common acceptance for the basic scientific facts, even the far right has stopped being climate deniers. However there is disagreement on what to do. But that is reasonable, there should be a political discussion about what actions to take. However we are not doing enough, even in Sweden we need to do much more.

To have a political and ideological discussion on basic scientific facts is to me not the rational way to handle our future. But I know that others think differently. But you can’t vote about the law of gravity or other natural laws.

Climate change denialism is more rife in Anglo Saxon countries because, I believe, these are the most individualistic societies. In a more collectivist society like Sweden, it will be easier to form a general consensus based around logic, reason and what the majority of experts are telling you.

The psychology of climate change denialism is interesting and merits more research. Some psychologists believe the trend to reject expert opinion and scientific consensus, with a corresponding propensity to believe in conspiracy theories or other non-factual constructs, correlates with a growing acceptance of narcissistic behaviour. Societies world wide, but led by the Anglo Saxon countries (e.g. U.S. and Australia), are becoming more "narcissistic" in the sense that narcissistic behaviour is less likely to be condoned and is sometimes even encouraged. The election of a highly narcissistic U.S. president is the obvious example, but there is no shortage of narcissistic politicians and media identities in my own country, Australia.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by atoll

roughly 3200 nm ,need to make about 160-170 miles a day and average 7 knots plus, quite do able as long as they can head east and not south![emoji3]

conference is till the 13th so as long as she gets there before the end to make a speach it would be a fait accomplis and a huge kudos to all concerned

If they can move in the right direction and theres wind, 160-170nm is very doable on the Outreamer, its doable on my boat which isnt comparable to La Vagabond, even if its fully loaded.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Budawang

Crossing the north Atlantic the wrong way with a toddler in November would make me rather nervous to say the least. The last time they crossed in the other direction in season it was a real ordeal. Performance cats might be fast but they don't give a comfortable ride in heavy weather. They have plenty of aussie chutzpah that's for sure.

Nothings comfortable in heavy weather.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

You'll need to take your issues up with the ABS. It is their site after all, not mine.

You provided the link inside a discussion about the severity of fires now and before - my point is simple - the link had no bearing on that discussion.


And if you're not capable of making the association between bush fires and drought, you have my sympathy.

This is not in question although I should mention the extensive 2019 fires in Tasmania were not preceded by any drought.


But let's say, for the sake of the argument, that the current drought is as bad as the Federation drought was. Guess what? That alone disproves the "climate change caused it/made it worse" argument.

Hmm... one sallow don't make a summer.

p.s. Have you ever wondered why the BOM ignore years prior to 1910 in their climate graphs? For some odd reason they only start post-Federation.


p.p.s.Your comprehension could be improved, too. The data has a last updated date of 2012.

Maybe you should read / understand the updated information - clearly it had no effect on the content.


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[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Maybe you should read / understand the updated information - clearly it had no effect on the content.


This page was updated on 22 Nov 2012 to include the disclaimer below. No other content in this article was affected.

DISCLAIMER:
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Yep no effect because nothing changed. It's only climate scientists that like to rewrite the past it seems.

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by atoll

another fun fact ,most of those contemporary genocides you quoted were committed by right wing nationalist govenments.....sound familiar

Lots were also done, a good chunk, under so socialism/commie, and ALL were done under big gov.

I mean it’s really the same thing with big gov, like asking to want a dogshit sandwich or a catshit sandwich

Case and point, look at the darling of the left, Obama and red state as they come Bush Jr, basically the same guy

Bush lied to get us into war in Iraq, crapped all over the bill of rights with the “patriot” act. Obama comes in (I voted for him, ONLY the first time) promising to get us out of the wars, runs on being transparent, ends up sending more troops into Iraq and than invaded Afghanistan almost to one up bush, than to one up on the hone front further encroached on the bill of rights, even less transparent and even droned a US citizen and his two kids.

So the left wing/right wing, it’s all the same, your enemy isn’t the left or the right, it’s big government, end of the day all gov should be doing is acting as a steward, not running your life.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

... And most important, you can't solve a systemic problem just with voluntary individual action.
This sums it up nicely.

Thanks for the insightful article.

[Breaking Waves]

hmmmm . . . . to perhaps actually talk about sailing, since G is actually out sailing

They have gotten caught in an 'upwind' wind field, probably for today and tomorrow. The boat seems to sail pretty well, and they are (correctly) taking the southern tack. Sometime after around mid-day Saturday (depends on exactly where they get to) they will get a shift and should have a nice southerly wind, they want to be down around 33N, and then they should be able to rocket east for a while. Longer range (and thus ofc not at all certain), the highs do seem to be forecast to setup decently south, giving them a favorable route in the mid to high 30's (latitudes) usually with a bailout into lighter winds by dipping south into the highs.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

But let's say, for the sake of the argument, that the current drought is as bad as the Federation drought was. Guess what? That alone disproves the "climate change caused it/made it worse" argument.

Slips like this reveal just how unsupported your position really is.

Climate change is also increasing the frequency of these weather extremes, in many cases. And it's still early days.

Granted, it's not terribly productive to be wringing one's hands about CC when a bushfire is racing towards you. But neither is denying what is very probably driving the underlying conditions, when it comes to planning.

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Breaking Waves

hmmmm . . . . to perhaps actually talk about sailing, since G is actually out sailing

They have gotten caught in an 'upwind' wind field, probably for today and tomorrow. The boat seems to sail pretty well, and they are (correctly) taking the southern tack. Sometime after around mid-day Saturday (depends on exactly where they get to) they will get a shift and should have a nice southerly wind, they want to be down around 33N, and then they should be able to rocket east for a while. Longer range (and thus ofc not at all certain), the highs do seem to be forecast to setup decently south, giving them a favorable route in the mid to high 30's (latitudes) usually with a bailout into lighter winds by dipping south into the highs.

coming up for a period of neap tides in the north atlantic,which generally means less violent weather as tides get smaller.
next spring tides which generally brings more severe north atlantic weather will be as they near europe and the azores .
routing puts them north of the azores high then,where fast moving low pressure systems become more established as winter progress's.
could be an interesting last 1000 miles