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jackdale · 09-09-2018, 18:19

The Northern Sea Route is Open.

And is being exploited.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/ln...hern-sea-route

**newhaul** · 09-09-2018, 18:23

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Originally Posted by jackdale

Long Ago and Not True Anyway: Gore's Law

the climate we enjoy today is caused by men but not modern man.
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-ancien...dly-earth.html

jackdale · 09-09-2018, 18:34

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Originally Posted by newhaul

the climate we enjoy today is caused by men but not modern man.
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-ancien...dly-earth.html

Really?

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Today, the Arctic is warming. But before we laud ancient farmers for staving off a global chill, Vavrus and Ruddiman caution that this fundamental alteration to our global climate cycle is uncharted territory.

"People say (our work) sends the wrong message, but science takes you where it takes you," says Vavrus. "Things are so far out of whack now, the last 2,000 years have been so outside the natural bounds, we are so far beyond what is natural."

The reality is, we don't know what happens next. And glaciers have long served as Earth's predominant source of freshwater.

"There is pretty good agreement in the community of climate scientists that we have stopped the next glaciation for the long, foreseeable future, because even if we stopped putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, what we have now would linger," says Ruddiman. "The phenomenal fact is, we have maybe stopped the major cycle of Earth's climate and we are stuck in a warmer and warmer and warmer interglacial."

Seems we are not cooling.

Clamdigger · 09-09-2018, 18:39

That area is like the Last Frontier for longtime cruisers with The Dream and adventure alive inside them. Sometimes it ends like this, just an interesting story to tell others. Northwest Passage is not to be trifled with, I tried twice from the East and once from the West over 25 yr span, and wisely heeded the warnings and turned around to continue sailing. Never regretted trying or turning around, dead men dont live to tell about the adventure that ends in their demise! Once in far enough a vessel and crew are on their own with slim to no chance of rescue, without extreme risk to rescuers.

**newhaul** · 09-09-2018, 18:48

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Originally Posted by jackdale

Really?

Seems we are not cooling.

yes jack we are cooling just check Dr spencers latest report.

jackdale · 09-09-2018, 18:55

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Originally Posted by newhaul

yes jack we are cooling just check Dr spencers latest report.

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The linear temperature trend of the global average lower tropospheric temperature anomalies from January 1979 through August 2018 remains at +0.13 C/decade.

Roy Spencer, PhD

Looks like a warming trend.

**newhaul** · 09-09-2018, 19:05

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Originally Posted by jackdale

Roy Spencer, PhD

Looks like a warming trend.

we have been thru this before we are now a cooling trend and it will become aparent even to you in the next 24 to 36 months .
And that is enough agw debate for this thread

jackdale · 09-09-2018, 19:11

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Originally Posted by newhaul

we have been thru this before we are now a cooling trend and it will become aparent even to you in the next 24 to 36 months .
And that is enough agw debate for this thread

You started it with a post from Paul Homewood, an AGW dismissive retired accountant.

Then you did not bother the read the article to which you linked a short time ago.

**newhaul** · 09-09-2018, 19:15

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Originally Posted by jackdale

You started it with a post from Paul Homewood, an AGW dismissive retired accountant.

Then you did not bother the read the article to which you linked a short time ago.

no jack I started this thread about the unfortunate loss of a good vessel ( thankfully no loss of life) due to the skipper ignoring the recommendations of the professionals.
That article was just the first one that crossed my desk.

jackdale · 09-09-2018, 19:18

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Originally Posted by newhaul

no jack I started this thread about the unfortunate loss of a good vessel ( thankfully no loss of life) due to the skipper ignoring the recommendations of the professionals.
That article was just the first one that crossed my desk.

And of course you never bother to check the source or the motivation. Figures.