Visit our Popular Forums

**newhaul** · 11-02-2018, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt11791

What evidence is there that the keel came off? Just their say-so? I think, once the keel is off, the boat would immediately turtle and it doesn't sound like that's what happened.

from the picture I would have to defer to physics . Now this vessel draws 4.3 ft and has a beam of 8.5 ft. So with that 2800 pounds to lead in the keel to try to keep it upright and laying on its side on the bottom geometry physics says that the vessel will lay over at a max estimated 47° and it appears to be at a full 90° on its side

**StuM** · 11-02-2018, 14:36

Just looked at their go-fund-me page.n Two points of interest:

1. This gofundme account is solely to get the boat out of the water!

We will eventually buy or salvage another boat and try try try again! If anyone knows of someone looking to get rid of a sailboat let us know!

2. Keel lost? What keel?

**boatman61** · 11-02-2018, 14:48

I guess it depends on the amount of water inside the hull.. quite a lot from the looks of it..

The depth is about right for wave action to have rocked her into a nice little trough if that charts to be believed and they're laid on the 4ft shelf.. so yes.. the keel could still be on.

**Don C L** · 11-02-2018, 14:49

My guess is prior to flooding, yes, but once water is in there, being a "free surface," then it will lose stability as the weight of the mast will likely overwhelm whatever remaining ballast there is below the waterline, and the new moving ballast of water helps it over. I was just thinking that prior to that, being that there was still a stub and in very shallow water, it may have been rolling through large arcs, but still not on its side yet. It looked like, in the photo, the mast had hit the bottom and was holding it up, but I am not sure. It's a curious thing, and actually I'd like to see GZ curves for various boats suddenly minus their keels, but still with considerable weight below the waterline...... there must be a site somewhere that shows that. Anyone here ever been on a boat that lost its keel while motoring with no sail up?

**Don C L** · 11-02-2018, 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuM

2. Keel lost? What keel?

I could be wrong but I believe that is a shot of a Columbia 31 which has a shoal draft keel.

frozenhawaiian · 11-02-2018, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuM

Just looked at their go-fund-me page.n Two points of interest:

1. This gofundme account is solely to get the boat out of the water!

We will eventually buy or salvage another boat and try try try again! If anyone knows of someone looking to get rid of a sailboat let us know!

2. Keel lost? What keel?

so other people should pony of the cash to clean up their mess....

belizesailor · 11-02-2018, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumpman

Just a question... I wonder if salespersons selling a large sailboat to folks who are obviously newbies would recommend their taking a sail handling & nav course after the sale? That would be the responsible thing to do.

Nope, that might interfer with closing the sale. I have had many brokers refer students to me AFTER they signed on the dotted line. [emoji6]

**newhaul** · 11-02-2018, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don C L

I could be wrong but I believe that is a shot of a Columbia 31 which has a shoal draft keel.

don that picture is straight off their go fund me page so it seems to bring into question what boat they actually have
In light of what we now know I would be inclined to say the 31 is much more likely

Robert Tilbury · 11-02-2018, 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by frozenhawaiian

gee I should go and uninsure my boat and do something idiotic and get the boat sunk, then I could get on the internet and beg people to buy me a new boat too.....

I 100% agree ,
I work hard , i have insurance andto get insurance i have a survey ,,
If i stuff up i dont ask i dont beg ,, i sort it out my self ,

I would never Unless the world was ending run my car truck bike or boats with no insurance ,,,NEVER .

they may be youn they may have been foolish we all have been ,,,
But not to have back up is insanity ,,,,not foolish

Sailorbob8599 · 11-02-2018, 15:55

Hello Sailor ... you are right, there is a difference between saving lives & saving vessels but we do hear of CCG occasionally towing a vessel to safety & they are not charged. We all pay for this in our taxes & the majority of taxpayers don`t own a boat.
On a slightly different note, we have numerous abandoned vessels around various parts of our coastline, that eventually have to be removed & disposed of. It would appear even local authorities have extreme difficulty getting this job done due to inability to prove ownership etc. Even when ownership is established, there still seems to be a problem with legally removing a hulk or collecting payment for work done. It then falls upon local authorities to remove & dispose of said wrecks, with the costs being borne by local authorities when ownership cannot be established. It's all to do with legalities & we know how messy legal matters can become. Just think, the reason most politicians are distrusted & held in contempt is that the majority of them come from the legal fraternity.
Maybe this young couple should have called in a MAYDAY ... & maybe sailors are a bit more empathetic where I live & more willing to help someone in distress.

**boatman61** · 11-02-2018, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by frozenhawaiian

so other people should pony of the cash to clean up their mess....

Last I heard its a voluntary thing that sympathetic folks can do.. if they choose to.
In the UK there's millions of non sailors who donate happily to our biggest life saving service.. the RNLI Charity.. funded solely by donations and bequests.
Which.. bar the skippers and engineers is crewed by volunteers..
I realise its a strange concept in your country.. but we are weird like that in the UK.. being an island race.

Lodesman · 11-02-2018, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlgray

$5000 for boat and $5000 to fix it and with $90 to their name.
They sold everything they had, all their possession and barely could "gather" $ 10,000.
My house in Dubrovnik is worth $800,000. I have £70,000 savings on my bank account.

Are you 25?

frozenhawaiian · 11-02-2018, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by boatman61

Last I heard its a voluntary thing that sympathetic folks can do.. if they choose to.
In the UK there's millions of non sailors who donate happily to our biggest life saving service.. the RNLI Charity.. funded solely by donations and bequests.
Which.. bar the skippers and engineers is crewed by volunteers..
I realise its a strange concept in your country.. but we are weird like that in the UK.. being an island race.

totally different thing, RNLI provides a valuable service to the communityand thus there's a very good reason to donate to them. 2 clueless novices who didn't bother to get any sort of instruction and managed to sink their boat provide zero service to the community