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Old 16-06-2015, 10:04   #46
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Re: Terminology -- "Stateroom"

We use rain locker as a euphemism for the shower, which is located in the head. We call the kitchen at home a galley as well as the one on the boat, however the "galley" on the boat is in the same space as the salon and the pilot station so is the main cabin just the galley, we also build our commercial fishing gear there, so should it be labeled as the "gear shed"? I have a troll pit, but there aren't any trolls living there. I'm confused. Now the Master's stateroom is indeed a stateroom the only one on the vessel, and the Focsle is where we keep the scurvy crew when they aren't being lashed with the cat o nine tails at the mast. What is a Captain Qeeg to do?
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SNIP...

Further up, someone finally gave an explanation of when a boat becomes a ship. It was noted that when a boat carries a smaller boat - it's a ship (therefore submarines are boats). This is very interesting to me because I've always wondered.

Since my 40 footer carries a dinghy - is it now a ship?

I would say not - so the question still remains - when is a boat a boat and when is it a ship?

Just to make the question more interesting - (the distinction by the way is the same in danish) Almost anyone will correctly refer to a vessel as either a "boat" or a "ship" - there is almost no disagreement .

But how do we unconsciously arrive at that - and in complete agreement?

Sorry for the thread hijack
I enjoyed reading your comments and do find it interesting to learn how other languages (and cultures) consider the same topic.

I bolded a few of your points above, to address them.

The "It's a ship if it can carry a boat" maxim usually works.

But, as you pointed out, your 40 footer carries a dinghy. So is that 40 footer now a "ship?"

In a bit of tongue-in-cheek humor follows, as I submit:

"When the other guy's vessel is smaller than yours, he has a boat."


Regarding a submarine?
They can also have rubber dinghies. But, I think any submariner takes pride in being in his "boat" and serving in "boats."

While a "yacht" may be any private vessel used for pleasureÖ.

A "YAHcht" is one with a serving crew, cook, steward, and captain.

But a "WOWYACHT" is when it also has a helipad or carries a mini submarine.
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Well, actually you'd be asked "is that a LAUNCH or a yacht? (in the UK at any rate)

When I was growing up I learned that "Cordage" was a general term used to denote ropes of any size braid etc.

In Danish (just to confuse the issue a bit) rope is "reb" but on a boat - all ropes etc are "linje" (lines). Very thin pieces of rope (twine) are called "snor", although with the advent of Dyneema, much of this has also become lines.

Further up, someone finally gave an explanation of when a boat becomes a ship. It was noted that when a boat carries a smaller boat - it's a ship (therefore submarines are boats). This is very interesting to me because I've always wondered.

Since my 40 footer carries a dinghy - is it now a ship?

I would say not - so the question still remains - when is a boat a boat and when is it a ship?

Just to make the question more interesting - (the distinction by the way is the same in danish) Almost anyone will correctly refer to a vessel as either a "boat" or a "ship" - there is almost no disagreement .

But how do we unconsciously arrive at that - and in complete agreement?

Sorry for the thread hijack
I agree that in common use there's almost no disagreement. My guess? Crewed, non-private, and >65 feet = ship.
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I agree that in common use there's almost no disagreement. My guess? Crewed, non-private, and >65 feet = ship.
Interesting question. Is a 65' crewed vessel a "ship"? Or what? I don't know. "Ship" doesn't sound right to me, but I don't know what else to call it, either.

In Germany (and I think some other Germanic countries), "ship", or rather "Schiff" is commonly used for larger cruising boats, that is, anything over 50'. Like "yacht" in the UK, this has no connotations of grandeur at all. It's always pleasant to hear my boat being called a "Schiff", in all seriousness, although I wouldn't call it that myself. I like it not because it makes her sound like the QEII, but because it puts her in the same category as workboats -- functional, seagoing, serious.
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A "YAHcht" is one with a serving crew, cook, steward, and captain.
Hey, that's my boat. All of those roles are present on board my boat -- even when I single hand
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Interesting question. Is a 65' crewed vessel a "ship"? Or what? I don't know. "Ship" doesn't sound right to me, but I don't know what else to call it, either..
What comes to sailing vessels I'd like to think being fully rigged (broad sense, including three masted schooners) ie at least three masts makes a ship..

Stateroom is a part of private quarters which has several rooms. A head is not a room. Just IMHO, thou I'm inclined to accept also cabins wide and unpractical enough to get you killed in an unexpected roll
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Well, actually you'd be asked "is that a LAUNCH or a yacht? (in the UK at any rate)
"Is that a power or sail boat?"

Alternatively "is that a stink boat or a proper one? And is it a real boat or just a half boat"
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A head is not a room.
It is to me. And the US Navy agrees:

Navy Terminology, Origins of
"Head The "head" aboard a Navy ship is the bathroom. The term comes from the days of sailing ships when the place for the crew to relieve themselves was all the way forward on either side of the bowsprit, the integral part of the hull to which the figurehead was fastened."

(and numerous other similar references)

It always grates slightly when I see/hear people using "the heads" when they mean a single location on a boat or "a thing you sit on to crap".
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Ok, so a sheet is a rope with a purpose. What then goes on a bunk, bed, berth, rack??
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Ok, so a sheet is a rope with a purpose. What then goes on a bunk, bed, berth, rack??
A bedsheet?
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What about the stern sheets?
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What about the stern sheets?
Those are on the berth in the aft cabin...
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Ok, so a sheet is a rope with a purpose. What then goes on a bunk, bed, berth, rack??
Wenches.....
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What about the stern sheets?
Like bedsheet, it is one word: sternsheets
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Like bedsheet, it is one word: sternsheets
Picky picky..... Admiral Smyth hyphenates it.....
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